Democrats Find Religion…

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And whoda thunk it…just in time for another major election! I can’t figure out if the tone of this whole article from Time (in partnership with CNN) is meant to be sarcastic, or if the authors are actually playing it straight. It’s kinda hard to tell with howlers like this:

The Democrats are so fired up, you could call them the new Moral Majority.

Good one!

This time, however, the emphasis is as much on the majority as on the morality as they try to frame a message in terms of broadly shared values that don’t alarm members of minority religions or secular voters.

Good luck with that, Democrats. It will be fun watching you try.

In this campaign season, if Clinton and Barack Obama and John Edwards are any measure, there will be nothing unusual in Democrats’ talking about the God who guides them and the beliefs that sustain them. Clinton has hired Burns Strider, a congressional staffer (and evangelical Baptist from Mississippi) who is assembling a faith steering group from major denominations and sends out a weekly wrap-up, Faith, Family and Values. Edwards has been organizing conference calls with progressive religious leaders and is about to embark on a 12-city poverty tour. In the past month alone, Obama’s campaign has run six faith forums in New Hampshire, where local clergy and laypeople discuss religious engagement in politics.

They’re all working overtime to figure out a way to capture that ever elusive “Religious Values” voter. You know, the type that the liberals make fun of when it’s not election season.

“We talk about ways people of faith have gone wrong in the past, (abortion?) what they have done right, (social justice?) and where they see it going in the future,” says his (Obama’s) faith-outreach adviser, Joshua DuBois.

Question: Faith Outreach Advisor?!

Speeches on everything from the budget to immigration to stem-cell research are carefully marinated in Scripture.

Are they fooling anybody?

… the Republican lock on Evangelicals may be breaking. The percentage of white Evangelicals who self-identify as Republicans has declined from roughly 50% in 2004 to about 44% this past February, according to Green. Now the number is closer to 40% as more Evangelicals choose to label themselves independents. “There is a loosening of the Republican coalition, particularly among people under 30,” Green says, “but it is not yet a movement toward the Democrats. It is a small but real change.”

The Democratic Party is rekindling its relationship with Catholics as well. For years, candidates dodged Catholics out of fear that abortion would dominate the discussion. Now Democratic leaders are pursuing alliances with the Roman Catholic Church on issues ranging from immigration to the minimum wage to Iraq.

Okay, here’s the key to raking in the Catholic vote, Dems. And I’m talking about the devout, church going Catholics, not the cafeteria variety that only go twice a year. You’ve already got a good portion of that vote. If you want to win the majority of the Serious Catholic vote you need to be good on the 5 non-negotiables: Abortion, Euthanasia, Fetal Stem Cell Research, Human Cloning, and Homosexual Marriage.

Good luck with that!

Catholic voters, Democrats realize, are the loosest swing vote in the spiritual cosmos, especially as the church has become more outspoken in its opposition to the war in Iraq.

Huh, I hadn’t noticed that the church had become more outspoken in its opposition to the war. But that’s beside the point. The fact of the matter is, Catholics are allowed to make up their own minds on whether or not the Iraq war is just. It’s not a non negotiable issue. But it is considered a sin to vote for someone who doesn’t have a good record on the non-negotiables, when a better candidate is available. And there’s always a better candidate available when a Democrat is involved.

Anyway, after five pages, the authors,  Nancy Gibbs, and Michael Duffy can only assert, “The lessons Democrats have learned here is that they can engage [Evangelicals] on these issues,” says former DNC chairman David Wilhelm. “We haven’t won ‘em over. But they are listening.”

Which means, they’re probably not going to win over any new religious voters, but we’re going to have to stock up on anti-nausea medicine watching them try.

43 Responses to “Democrats Find Religion…”

  1. Aaron Says:

    I’m not sure on the whole Catholic debate, but I do think the article is correct that Republicans need to be worried. Evangelicals are becoming more and more interested in what the Bible is FOR rather than just what they are against.

    What are Christians for? Social justice, helping the poor, peace, creation care (environment), families, and life. The problem is that most of these aren’t found in the Republican party. While Evangelicals may not be ready to abandon the Republican ship because of the life issue, they may not show up to vote. And that will be very bad for Republicans.

  2. forged rite Says:

    When Howard Dean became DNC chairman, the first thing he said he would do is go after southern and religious voters. Everyone laughed at him at the time, but from what i can tell, it seems to be working. Your state of Kansas is an example, as an outsider everything i’ve heard about Kansas over the past few years suggests it’s starting to become more of a purple state than a red state. That’s probably just the media cherry-picking stories, but the fact that they have these kinds of stories at all coming from what is usually a solid Republican state is worrisome. There are a lot of people unhappy with Republicans right now and all democrats have to do is make themselves appear acceptable, and they’ll get a lot of help doing that from the media.

  3. forged rite Says:

    “What are Christians for? Social justice, helping the poor, peace, creation care (environment), families, and life. The problem is that most of these aren’t found in the Republican party.”

    That liberal talking point is older than Helen Thomas and it shows the typical arrogance of the left who think that they’re the only ones who really care. I sincerely hope that democrats repeat it loudly and often because that’s what lost them religious voters in the first place.

  4. nicedeb Says:

    Aaron,
    “Social justice” is code for government handouts, and it’s true that while most Republicans believe in a safety net, they don’t believe in expanding the government teat. Government social spending has sky-rocked under Bush, so I don’t know what your beef is.

    Helping the poor? All good Christians are for that. Again, Republicans support a safety net for the poorest among us.

    Peace? All Christians desire peace. But we can’t have lasting peace if we allow a threat to gather and organize against us. Sometimes we have to fight. And I say that as a Catholic.

    Families? You think the Democrats are the pro-family party? Are you kidding me?!

    Life? I think the Republicans have a lock on that one.

  5. nicedeb Says:

    Courage, Forged!

    I can’t make myself believe that the people who are paying attention, and vote, are fooled by the likes of Nancy Pelosi, and Howard Dean.

    I think the behavior of the Democrats in Congress, (their stats are even lower than the president’s) is going to turn voters off the Democrats.

  6. nicedeb Says:

    Oh, yes, I left out “creation care”.
    Republicans ARE conservationists.
    They’re just not fanatics, and a good portion of us don’t buy into the Al Gore Global Warming baloney. And yeah, we believe we should be able to drill for oil in the Alaskan wilderness. Big whoop, the caribou will learn to deal. We need to lesson our dependence on foreign oil, but the Dem’s won’t let us.

    Yay, Dems.

  7. Muslihoon Says:

    Excellent fisking, Nice Deb!

    Whereas Republicans are not as good as they could be, they are far better than Democrats. See, many Republicans are driven by faith and faith-based morality. They don’t need to hire consultants to tell them what to say because they say what they believe. Democrats, on the other hand, are more interested in appearing to believe what the people believe. For Democrats, it’s all a show. And frankly, this tendency of theirs (to discover religion around election-time) offends me as it makes a mockery of powerful influence of religion in people’s lives.

    Once a Republican is elected, his or her faith and faith-based morals continue to drive his or her policies. Once a Democrat is elected, all that religion stuff goes out the window.

    And don’t get me started about hooking up with Catholics because the Church opposes the Iraq War. The Democrat(ic) Party has been extremely irresponsible in exploiting the Iraq War for their political purposes. It is all a show; and for misinforming and misleading the people, I will never support the Democrats.

  8. Nice Deb Says:

    You’re a very discerning person, Muslihoon.

  9. daveintexas Says:

    Faith is a really difficult thing to fake. Really difficult, and once your sincerity is shown to be fake, you ain’t gonna get that credibility back.

    The age-old problem of the Democrat is they can’t be themselves.

    Oh, and Aaron, socialism is pretty goddam cruel to humans. Blow it out your ass, commie.

  10. S. Weasel Says:

    That is the creepiest graphic ever. I’m sure they intended it to be humorous, but it resonates ick.

  11. Aaron Says:

    I don’t know that I’d agree social justice is a code word for handouts. That is in fact part of my point. That’s what it means right now for the left.

    But, Republicans haven’t put forth any alternate suggestion. If the Republicans want to keep Evangelicals they are going to have to start taking these issues seriously. It says something that Bush couldn’t get anything done on this with his faith based initiatives with a Republican congress.

    The same for the environment. I think global warming is a separate issue. Think about clean air, clean water, clean energy. Who is AGAINST this? Certainely no one. Yet, this issue is owned by Democrats. Christians are becoming more pro-environment which I’d argue is in alignment with the mandate in Genesis 1 to care for God’s creation. Where are the Republicans in making this a focal point of their platform? No one takes them seriously on this because it is just a few talking points they say without any real thought on how to move the issue forward.

    Here’s the new thinking I believe is starting to show up in Christians – you don’t have to agree with someone on every issue to vote for them, even life. If someone is not in a position to actually effect the national policy on life, and you agree with them on othe important issues why not vote for them?

    I am not a Democrat. But let’s be clear. Republicans aren’t taken seriously on these issues, and they are increasing in importance. Daveintexas, your comment about commie is indicative that you associate these positive values with the left. Where’s the positive agenda? How can Republicans adopt these issues and do them in a non-socialist way? That is the thinking that needs to happen.

  12. daveintexas Says:

    are increasing in importance

    Not to me, particularly not if they’re wrapped up in liberal socialist jargon. Republicans earn nothing for themselves by taking up the cause of “social justice”.

    Republicans lose Christians when they embrace the same crap the left does. They should avoid it them like a disease.

  13. daveintexas Says:

    Incidentally, your obfuscation isn’t very convincing.

    Why don’t you define a few of your terms, so we can all see where you really stand? Start with social justice, what is that, exactly? Global warming, is it man-made and what should we as a people do about it? What is helping the poor, and how do we achieve peace?

    Otherwise, you merely sound like Hillary faking her faith.

  14. nicedeb Says:

    I think the reason that the Democrats “own” the Environmental issue is because they’re so good at demonizing Republicans as polluters of air and water.

    Did you know that there’s a Caucus of Conservationist Republicans?
    http://www.rep.org/opinions/pressreleases/release6-22-06.html

    Here’s their scorecard of Republicans in Congress:

    http://newsblaze.com/story/20060404173156nnnn.nb/topstory.html

  15. Dando Says:

    I would love to chime in on this topic. But unfortunately I don’t have time this afternoon. My wife and I are off to serve at a homeless shelter for the weekend with our bible study group. Perhaps if we were good Repub . . . errrr I mean Evangelicals we would have figured out that a concern for the poor is just leftist propoganda.

  16. nicedeb Says:

    Dando, I’m not sure what you’re saying.

    Are you pointing out the irony, that as a Repub, “you’re not concerned enough about the poor.”

  17. Aaron Says:

    Fair request to define a few of the terms. Here’s my take. I’m not saying that all of these are national issues. Some of these are better dealt with at the local level or even church level (homelessness for instance).

    Social justice: ending or relieving inequities as much as is possible without creating dependency. It is about getting to the root cause and changing that. It is about acknowledging everyone’s inherent worth because they are created in God’s image. In this bucket I’d put things like reducing crime, the Africa aids epidemic, homelessness, hunger, reading and education, conflict diamonds, justice for the unborn and elderly, religous persecution, etc. Some of this is legislative; some of it needs to be done one person at a time.

    Environment: it doesn’t matter if global warming is man made, sun made, or non-existent. We should, however, encourage clean energy, clean air, and clean water becaues it is the right thing to do. We should also invest in our parks and open spaces so everyone can enjoy God’s creative beauty. As for things like drilling in Alaska, I personally don’t have an issue with it, but I think the debate is healthy.

    Thanks for the links to the Caucus of Conservationist Republicans. I wasn’t aware of that. I hope it gets elevated in the Republican platform.

  18. Dave in Texas Says:

    Ok, thanks for going along with me.

    But aren’t definitions, they’re just nice ideas. How do you propose these things be done? Why must inequities be relieved, and what the heck does that really mean “relieved”?

    Encourage clean things sounds nice. Encourage is a happy, good word. How? What do you believe should be done?

    See this is how libs operation, so pardon my suspicion. They state nice-sounding ideas like “we should encourage clean energy”. Well goodness sakes, who could argue with that? Until you tell me we should cap oil company profits, assess a windfall profits tax and force everyone to drive a Yugo.

    So please describe further.

  19. Balance Sheet Says:

    Faith and Politics

    God Bless NiceDeb:  And there’s always a better candidate available when a Democrat is involved.
    She will probably make the Democrats cry.  NiceDeb is mean.

  20. cranky Says:

    are more interested in appearing to believe what the people believe.

    Muslihoon, that is one of the most concise statements on the behavior of Democrats I have ever read.

  21. daveintexas Says:

    crank, who the eff is that character actor in your av? I’ve seen him all my life.. .is that a Twilight Zone shot?

  22. cranky Says:

    Dave, that is Charles Lane, who, before he became an actor, was an accountant. I believe he played a lot of cantankerous, cranky, Mr. Wilson types so he is kind of a role model for me. :P

  23. Debbie Says:

    The new Moral Majority, that’s funny. I’m with S. Weasel, that image is almost spooky.

  24. Michael Says:

    But aren’t definitions, they’re just nice ideas. How do you propose these things be done?

    Yup. Aaron’s reference to “conflict diamonds” is telling. He’s referring to the liberal cant, promoted by the movie “Blood Diamonds”, that corrupt African thugs killing each other should be blamed on American consumers trying to buy an engagement ring.

  25. Michael Says:

    Politics aside, “Blood Diamonds” is a good movie, BTW. Well worth watching.

  26. Muslihoon Says:

    It is an untruth to imagine that conservatives do not care about issues such as social justice and the environment as much as liberals do. In my view, the major difference is that whereas liberals would like the State (the public sector) to handle these issues, conservatives and libertarians believe these must be dealt with through the private sector. Consider, for example, the amount of relief provided by Jewish and Christian organizations on a variety of fronts. This faith-based charity is immense, and is the largest in America of all the world’s countries’ faith-based initiatives, and indeed faith-based American charity is the most prevalent and largest charitable or relief-providing endeavor in the whole world. I would go so far as to state that American Jews and Christians do more than American liberals, The United Nations, and all world governments combined. So, really, we should not be preached to about helping the world.

    The fact we do not entrust such activities to the State or that we do not believe that the State is the vehicle for relief and conservation do not mean that we don’t care about such issues. As it is, it cannot be denied that such issues — with all due respect — should be dealt with by the people because when bureaucracy gets involved — especially what with special interest groups — it messes everything up. The solution is never more government but, rather, empowering and encouraging the people, especially faith-based initiatives, to do such works of righteousness for the sake of God’s glory and our stewardship of His children and creation.

  27. Muslihoon Says:

    Also: The modernist (or humanistic) claim that social justice (and other such issues) ought to be a primary focus of religions is patently false. Consider the struggle currently experienced by religious movements that focus primarily on such issues. The religious movements that are growing and becoming more powerful are the ones that focus on spirituality, righteousness, morality, God, worship, and traditionalism. For example: the Catholic Church, where progressive movements are losing steam and traditionalist and conservative movements are expanding beyond anyone’s expectations. The blooming of Opus Dei, the support for traditional piety (such as the Mass of Blessed Pope John XXIII), and the increasing focus on piety and internal development are all indications of this.

    Did not Jesus rebuke a disciple, saying that He will not be here always, but the poor will, so once ought to focus on Him? Let us not detract from the Lord as we seek to improve the world. What will it do for us if we save the world but cannot secure the salvation of our own soul through Jesus Christ?

  28. Wickedpinto Says:

    I find this sort of stuf cynical as all hell. It’s one thing to be disingenuous when you visit “lambert field” in green bay, wisconson, it’s another to disengenuous when you are pandering before a group of faith in their house of worship.

  29. Wickedpinto Says:

    got spam bucketed, CURSES!

  30. bmac Says:

    Democrats own environmentalism precisly because it’s Godless, that is, man alone holds the power to destroy or save the planet. It’s also anti-business and anti-industry, making it inherently socialist, and has the added bonus of Absolute Moral Authority. Republicans can’t get near this issue. As for dependence on foreign oil, I choose to look at it as we’re draining their resources instead of ours.

  31. daveintexas Says:

    Charles Lane. I’ll bet I’ve seen him a hundred times.

    Oh, and Aaron was a pretender. I’m shocked.

  32. cranky Says:

    Geez. Charles Lane must have been doing something right. He passed away last Monday at the age of 102. RIP.

  33. nicedeb Says:

    Well!
    RIP, Charles Lane!

  34. PattyAnn Says:

    RIP, Charles Lane! I remember seeing him.
    Cranky, please do not ever use my likeness as your avatar. Or anyone currently living.

  35. daveintexas Says:

    Well.

    Which one of you wants me to extend the curse, and ask you about YOUR AVATAR now?

    mwa ha hah hhahhaaa

  36. Nice Deb Says:

    I wonder if Bart saw that one coming?

  37. Purple Avenger Says:

    As for dependence on foreign oil, I choose to look at it as we’re draining their resources instead of ours.

    Precisely. If the OPEC countries ever get too rambunctious about price, the US has a viable backup plan, called coal cracking and synfuel. Its an o-chem process that is well understood, known to work and can be brought online in volume in a few years if we were really forced into it.

    The Arab countries know this too — which is why I laugh at the people who talk of $200/barrel oil. The Arabs have no interest what so ever in provoking the US into switching over to “Plan B” — because if we did, it would result in a world wide glut and collapse in oil prices with the US demand gone.

    We’ve already hit the price point where tar sands is economically viable. Shell is looking to ramp ONE Canadian tar sand operation up to where it would produce as much as 20% of VE’s daily output.

  38. cranky Says:

    Nice Deb Says:
    July 14th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
    I wonder if Bart saw that one coming?

    When I posted that link I wondered the same thing. But Bart’s probably too busy shaving to have noticed the passing of someone of the stature of Charles Lane.

    PattyAnn, I’m sticking with Charles. You’re safe. But watch out for Dave’s questions.

    :P

  39. Muslihoon Says:

    I read/heard somewhere that at one point the Arab states could have successfully pulled off a stunt to punish The United States by raising oil prices. But now, for a variety of reasons, they simply cannot. It would be suicide. So even though the Arab states are wont to bluster and talk and ramble, they would never endanger their economic lifeline. Perhaps because of their previous stunt, we have found ways to deal with a variety of situations, making any stunt-ing not only ineffective but disastrous for the stunter.

    as far as domestic drilling is concerned: I would much rather our domestic sources remain untapped or, if tapped, put in reserve. This will allow us to prepare for a variety of scenarios; and, if others become unable to pump or sell or transport oil, this will establish for us substantial economic and even political clout.

  40. TXMarko Says:

    This reminds me of a bumper sticker I once saw:

    EARTH FIRST
    We can mine the other planets later.

    I was unaware of a “Plan B” as noted above, but I don’t feel comfortable at all about options “forced” on our society.

    If Aaron would have done a bit of digging, he would discover rabid environmentalism is responsible for the high gas prices we see today, among other things.

  41. Muslihoon Says:

    he would discover rabid environmentalism is responsible for the high gas prices we see today

    Funny, that, no? And the Left continues to blame The Great and Omnipotent Bush.

  42. nicedeb Says:

    Great and Omnipotent, yet, stupid, and mouth breathing.

  43. daveintexas Says:

    Ya just can’t trust them OPEC-ers.

    *g


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