The Dems are determined to pass their health care legislation come hell or high water, even in the face of massive opposition, even though they don’t have the votes to do it in the House. Their latest ploy?:
Ace reports, (via The Corner):
Constitutional Slaughter: Democrats Attempting Rule Change in House That Would Pass Senate Bill Without An Actual Vote on the Senate Bill
House Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter is prepping to help usher the healthcare overhaul through the House and potentially avoid a direct vote on the Senate overhaul bill, the chairwoman said Tuesday.
Slaughter is weighing preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill passed once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes to the Senate version.
Slaughter has not taken the plan to Speaker Pelosi as Democrats await CBOscores on the corrections bill. “Once the CBO gives us the score we’ll spring right on it,” she said.
Leon Wolfe at RedState explains:
Having determined that they lack the votes in the House to pass the Senate bills as-is, House Democrats are attempting one of the most breathtakingly unconstitutional power grabs ever witnessed – a maneuver to deem the Senate bill ALREADY PASSED by the House by rule, despite the fact that it clearly has not. Now, as we have constantly reminded our ahistorical liberal friends who have already forgotten all of 2002-2006, the filibuster is constitutional because it is a Senate rule of debate, which is expressly authorized by Article I’s delegation of power to each house of Congress to set its own rules of debate. Apparently, some Democrats can’t seem to tell the difference between a rule of debate and just declaring by rule that the House has passed a bill that they have not, when the Constitution itself expressly states that “in all [] Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays[.]” What Slaughter and Pelosi here are attempting here is a blatant violation of the principles of bicameralism and presentment.
And unlike other Unconstitutional things Congress does, there’s caselaw here suggesting pretty clearly that when Congress attempts to pass a law in the absence of proper bicameralism and presentment, a person negatively affected by Congress’s action (e.g., a person required to pay a fine for not having health insurance) has standing to challenge the law’s validity in the Courts. This farce is illegal and unconstitutional on its face, and someone has to be advising the Democrats in the House of this fact. They already know the American people don’t want this bill. They know by now that what they’re trying to do is illegal. The question now is whether they still have the shame to care about either.
Ace is absolutely correct – they’re hoping that the MSM will give them the cover they need to do this…
This is the typical nonsense desperate leftists try. If you can’t do it by the rules, change the rules, and rely on the media to pretend what you’ve done is perfectly reasonable.
*What can we do?
Dan Riehl, fresh off a teleconference call with Mike Pence, has this:
Pence: Next 2 Weeks Will Determine Future Of Health Care In America
Speaking to approximately 10,000 activists, bloggers and other citizens tonight on an Americans For Prosperity Tele-Townhall, 3rd ranking House Republican Mike Pence said the Democrat majority continues to do everything they can to muster the votes to pass the Senate bill, previously passed by the Senate on Christmas Eve. Pence added that it’s doubtful most, if any fixes would be forthcoming from the Senate due to Senate rules and procedures.
Echoing Obama, but without the emphasis or yelling, Pence stated, “Now is the time, this is the moment” to do whatever you can to defeat this bill if you oppose it. His key suggestion was to continue to pressure wavering Democrats.
Tea Party activists hastily organized a protest for Obama’s visit to Philadelphia on Monday. Gateway Pundit covered the 2,225 strong anti-ObamaCare rally in St. Charles MO today.
Tabitha Hale at Freedomworks put out the call for a final rally in DC on March 16th:
*You can order your own torch and pitchfork, here.




















March, 10, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Wow I hope this bill passes!
March, 10, 2010 at 9:50 pm
They don’t have the votes. You think they should just go with inventing a new rule, to pass it?
March, 11, 2010 at 12:11 am
The bill has already passed the senate, and only needs to go to another vote there if the house does not pass the same bill. Not only do they have the votes, but the public option is certainly back on the table. Only 4% of Americans believe that nothing should be done for health care.
New rule? Are you refering to reconcilliation? If so, it isn’t a new rule. While it ‘normally’ is used for budget items, it isn’t restricted to that – further, this bill has budgetary impact and could very easily be considered a budget issue.
Reps used it quite a bit during the last administration. If the Bush tax cuts was a good enough issue for reconcilliation, then so is this.
The fact is, the shoe is on the other foot now, and you cons don’t like it.
March, 11, 2010 at 1:00 am
Not only do they have the votes, but the public option is certainly back on the table.
Well, let’s have a vote, then!
Only 4% of Americans believe that nothing should be done for health care.
Uh huh, but a majority don’t want this particular something: 57% think it would hurt the economy, and they are right:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/57_predict_health_care_plan_will_hurt_the_economy
New rule?
The rule Rep Slaughter is inventing that would pass the Senate bill in the House, without the House voting on it. Read up.
If the Bush tax cuts was a good enough issue for reconcilliation, then so is this.
Wrong again.
Reconciliation is a parliamentary device of “budget reconciliation.” devised in 1974 by Sen.Robert Byrd as a means to reduce deficits. And there have been 22 reconciliation bills since, most of which were attempts to reduce budget deficits. It was not meant to remake a sixth of the U.S. economy without the support from a single Republican in either house. This would be the first time anything of this size and scope has been enacted by pure party-line vote.
And its creator, Sen. Byrd is against it.
The fact is, the shoe is on the other foot now, and you cons don’t like it.
As bad as Republicans were at times, ( and when I say bad, I mean big government spenders like your side) they never even came close to the corrupt cesspool we see in Congress, now.
March, 11, 2010 at 1:15 am
If this is done and there isn’t blood in the streets, than we don’t deserve freedom.
March, 11, 2010 at 2:48 am
The bill has already passed the senate, and only needs to go to another vote there if the house does not pass the same bill. Not only do they have the votes, but the public option is certainly back on the table.
How can you say “same bill” and “the public option is certainly back on the table” in the same paragraph without your head exploding?
Oops – I guess it did explode, because then you wrote this:
this bill has budgetary impact and could very easily be considered a budget issue.
Almost every significant bill has budgetary impact. Which bills were you going to exclude using this criterion? And on to this silliness:
While it ‘normally’ is used for budget items, it isn’t restricted to that
From Wikipedia: “Reconciliation is a legislative process of the United States Senate intended to allow consideration of a contentious budget bill without the threat of filibuster.”
Now let’s look at the GOP’s bills in which reconciliation was used:
# Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA), Pub.L. 107-16 (2001)
# Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, Pub.L. 108-27 (2003)
# Deficit Reduction Act of 2005, Pub.L. 109-171 (2006)
# Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 (TIPRA), Pub.L. 109-222 (2006)
Oh yeah – they all deal directly with budget outlays and revenues, and they all have sunset clauses. Per Byrd’s guidelines.
The fact is, the shoe is on the other foot now, and you cons don’t like it.
I’ll say. GOP reconciliations: focused on reducing taxes and spending. Democrats reconciliations: focused on increasing deficit spending, with inevitable middle class tax increases to follow.
That poor shoe.
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March, 11, 2010 at 8:13 pm
“New rule?
The rule Rep Slaughter is inventing that would pass the Senate bill in the House, without the House voting on it. Read up.”
Oh, you mean the self executing rule? It isn’t new. In fact it is used pretty commonly by both parties. Just a few weeks ago as a case in point. Though, the argument can be made it hasn’t been used for anything this large, but I suppose that depends on your perspective.
That’s why I thought you meant reconciliation, because that has a better argument for your side.
“How can you say “same bill” and “the public option is certainly back on the table” in the same paragraph without your head exploding?”
I’m perfectly aware that if the public option is reintroduced it will require more voting. My bad, as I see I wasn’t clear.
” Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA), Pub.L. 107-16 (2001)
# Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, Pub.L. 108-27 (2003)”
Hahahaha.. I like that. These are like the “Clear Skies” acts that Bush came out with. It deregulated polluters and actually made for dirtier skies in much the same way I am still waiting for the “economic and jobs growth” implied in those bills. More “voodoo economic” trickle down theory that DOES NOT WORK! It is, in large part, responsible for the mess we are in now – that and two unfunded wars (first world leader in recorded history to issue tax cuts during a time of war) Oh yeah, it was clinton who presided over the longest period of economic growth in US history after inheriting a recession and handed his “trickle down” sucessor a budget surplus and a social security budget surplus, which the repugs raided the instant bush took office and did it every year after that they were in controll.
I have reams and reams of sources. I’d stick to the health care debate, if I were you, as it is still an unknown and you don’t actually have historical facts disproving your position.
Reconciliation has been used consistently with issues like this in the past, which is what I meant by:
“While it ‘normally’ is used for budget items, it isn’t restricted to that”
That is insofar as congress has employed reconciliation many times to make major policy shifts. These include sweeping welfare reform enacted in 1996, massive tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, and creation or expansion of several “health coverage programs”.
The sharp break with past practice took place in 2001 under Republican’ts, when Congress used reconciliation to enact a large tax cut that greatly increased federal deficits and debt. Prior to 2001, every major reconciliation package enacted into law reduced the deficit. In 2003 Congress used reconciliation to pass another round of deficit-increasing tax cuts.
Since rising health costs are the single largest reason for projected long-run deficits, it is appropriate that health reform be considered through the reconciliation process.
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