Biden Laughs and Smirks His Way Through VP Debate – Ryan Wins (Lots of Updates)

First of all – what did we just witness, tonight? Why was Joe Biden emulating Chris Matthews on crack?

I realize that the  rap on Obama’s debate performance was that he wasn’t aggressive enough – so Biden’s handlers probably told him to be assertive (like Romney was!) but Biden overcompensated, interrupting Ryan 82 times.   CNN’s Gloria Borger said Biden Came Off As Condescending, Brit Hume called him a ‘Cranky Old Man’…while Greta Van Susteren said he just was very unlikeable.

Romney may have been aggressive, but he was polite, and always a gentleman. He wasn’t overbearing and didn’t come off like an unhinged, condescending crank, like Biden did for this entire debate, laughing, sneering and mugging during all of Ryan’s answers – even on serious issues like Libya, Afghanistan, and Iran. What was that all about? Romney was fighting for equal time in a debate where Obama was allowed four minutes more time. Biden was merely fighting. Chris Wallace said “I’ve Never Seen a Debate Where one Candidate Was So Disrespectful”.  He got a minute more time than Ryan who was interrupted at nearly every turn, either by Biden or by the moderator – the two of them seemed at times  to be tag teaming him.

In spite of that, Ryan remained calm, winning easily on debate style, and holding his own on debate substance in the face of the blizzard of lies coming  from Biden – a problem Sarah Palin also encountered back in 2008..

Dana Perino quipped:

Anyway, from the GOP rapid response team, Joe Biden Cackles During VP Debate:

UPDATE: Via the RNC, an excellent video compilation of Biden’s seriously inappropriate laughter: Laughing at the Issues:

Joe’s bizarre smiling and cackling act got panned by the left and right alike on Twitter:

Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Paul Ryan were the two candidates on stage at Thursday’s vice presidential debate, but a third character emerged: Joe Biden’s laugh, which didn’t escape the notice of tweeting politicos. (And led, of course, to at least three satirical Twitter accounts: Laughing Joe Biden, Biden Smirk, and yet another Laughing Joe Biden.)

Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway: “Joe Biden’s laughing through talking about Iran sanctions?”

TIME’s Michael Scherer: “Not sure debate cameras have been light tested for Biden’s teeth. Best to watch with sunglasses.”

Washington Examiner’s Philip Klein: “Biden’s strategy seems to be to laugh at Ryan constantly. Will it work to infantalize Ryan, or backfire like Gore sighing?”

(PHOTOS: Joe Biden over the years)

NBC’s David Gregory: “Biden’s smile is out of control.”

There’s more, here.
And Ace has the results of CNN’s undecided poll: Ryan Wins CNN’s Poll of Undecided Likely Voters, 48-44% Also Wins on Likability, Ryan 53% Biden 43%

Not a crushing victory, but a victory nonetheless — the sitting VP was bested by the challenger.

So Romney passed the Threshold test — spectacularly — and Ryan passed it as well.

And in both debates, they won.

Alex Castellantos on CNN had a point: The post-debate buzz will be about Biden’s buffoonish mugging.

I hate to say this, but as I said in the liveblog, Biden’s Mission Number One was to reassure and re-energize the base. He did that. He at least stopped some Democrats from defecting to Romney, or deciding not to vote.

And see – this  is why some people think Allahpundit and Ace are the same person:

I expected “table-pounding atmospherics” from Biden but I didn’t expect him to act like a total jackhole for fully 90 minutes. Give him credit for knowing his target audience, though: His task tonight was to get the left excited again after Obama fell into a semi-coma in Denver, and evincing utter disdain for Ryan — grimacing, shouting, laughing inappropriately, constantly interrupting, the total jackhole experience — is just what the doctor ordered. He might have irritated independents and undecideds, but probably not so much that it’ll change people’s votes. The Democrats needed someone to go out there and clown for liberals, and if there’s one thing this guy knows, it’s clowning.

Foreign Policy fact checked Biden on a major point: Biden contradicts State Department on Benghazi security:

Vice President Joe Biden claimed that the administration wasn’t aware of requests for more security in Libya before the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi during Thursday night’s debate, contradicting two State Department officials and the former head of diplomatic security in Libya.

“We weren’t told they wanted more security. We did not know they wanted more security there,” Biden said.

In fact, two security officials who worked for the State Department in Libya at the time testified Thursday that they repeatedly requested more security and two State Department officials admitted they had denied those requests.

Paul Ryan fact checked Biden’s attempt to throw cold water on the charge that the HHS mandate is an assault on religious liberties:

Biden try to explain away the Obama administration’s pro-abortion assault on Catholics, evangelicals and other religious groups and businesses.

“With regard to the assault on the Catholic church, let me make it absolutely clear, no religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy Hospital, any hospital, none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact,” Biden falsely claimed.

“Now, I’ve got to take issue with the Catholic church and religious liberty,” Ryan retorted.  “Why would they keep — why would they keep suing you? It’s a distinction without a difference.”

That’s all Ryan was able to get in before he was cut off. Shhhhh!!!!

The mandate compels religious employers to pay for and refer women for abortion-causing drugs, birth control, contraception and sterilizations.

The left has tried to turn the right’s objection to this into the phoney Republican War on Women™.

UPDATE:

Like I said, Biden’s smirking and sneering got panned by almost everybody:

We’re about thirty minutes into the debate and already Vide President Joe Biden is receiveing pretty tough reviews for his bizarre smiling and smirking as debate moderator Martha Raddatz talks about issues as serious as Iran getting a nuclear weapon.

These aren’t exactly conservative media types, either.

In 2000, Al Gore was just being a smug jerk trying to rattle George W. Bush. Gore also probably thought he was off-camera. Biden was obviously trying to rattle Ryan, but he also knew the camera would be on him, so other than hoping to distract the audience so they wouldn’t hear Ryan’s superior arguments, I have no idea what this debate game-plan was intended to accomplish.

My guess is that Team Obama simply didn’t expect moderator Martha Raddatz (who might be the worst debate moderator in history) to open things with a serious topic like foreign policy — and this is where Biden got in trouble, even with left-wingers like Tom Brokaw…

Another huge lie caught by Washington Free Beacon. I somehow missed this one (why didn’t Ryan call him out on it?): Biden Claims He Voted Against Afghanistan, Iraq Wars:

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

This was such an obvious, blatant lie. Ryan’s been in Washington long enough to know the truth. Why did he get Biden get away with it? The day after fact checks are not where the action is. You have to call them out on their lies when you have the chance, or most people will never know the truth.

Pundits and news anchors are expressing post-debate shock at how smirky, condescending and arrogant Vice President Joe Biden was tonight. They buzzed on Twitter at his “malarkey” rebuke of Paul Ryan’s foreign policy criticism.

But this is all old, tired recycled behavior and rhetoric from the last election cycle. Remember? Go back and read my VP debate thread from 2008. It was titled: Sarah vs. Smirky. Go back to 2008, when Biden derided Sarah Palin for her “malarkey” about Bill Ayers.

Tonight, just as in 2008, Biden sighed.

But more significantly, Biden bald-facedly lied.

In other words: Biden was…Biden.

Fred Barnes, The Weekly Standard:Biden Bombed:

You don’t win a nationally televised debate by being rude and obnoxious.  You don’t win by interrupting your opponent time after time after time or by being a blowhard.  You don’t win with facial expressions, especially smirks or fake laughs, or by pretending to be utterly exasperated with what your opponent is saying.

That’s why Vice President Joe Biden didn’t win the one and only debate last night with his Republican rival, Mitt Romney’s running mate Paul Ryan.

In fact, though Ryan had several weak moments—one of them was on Syria—the only conceivable takeaway from the veep debate was Biden’s out of control conduct.  It will be long remembered—and not favorably.

There’s one person who should be delighted with Biden. That’s Al Gore. He had the honor of having delivered the most over the top and weird performance in a presidential campaign debate when he sighed and frowned and acted frustrated in his first debate with George W. Bush in 2000. Now Biden has taken that crown—or dunce cap—from Gore.

Finally, via Twitchy, the Tweet of the night, as far as I’m concerned:

UPDATE:

Another fact check via Yid with Lid: Joe Biden Has Never Been a Big Friend Of Israel:

When Biden was in the Senate and the upper-body sent out “non-binding letters supporting Israel, Biden support was missing:

  • November 2001, Bond/Schumer Letter Urging President Not to Meet with Arafat until the Violence Ends, 89 Signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this letter urging President Bush not to meet with Arafat until Palestinian violence ceased. The letter had 89 signers.
  • March 2004, Schumer-Hatch-Clinton-Smith Letter Urging Kofi Annan to Reverse Support for ICJ Hearings on the Security Fence, 79 Signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this letter urging Kofi Annan to reverse support for the International Court of Justice Hearings on the Security fence which ultimately had 79 signers.
  • December 2005,Talent/Nelson Letter Urging Pres. Bush to Press Palestinian Leadership to Bar Terrorist Groups from Participating in Palestinian Legislative Elections, 73 co-signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this letter barring ter
  • ror groups from participating in Palestinian elections which ultimately had 73 co-signers.
  • June 2008, Landrieu/Collins Letter to President Bush Supporting Israel’s Quest for Peace, 77 Signers: Sen. Biden did not sign this pro-Israel letter which had 77 signers.

Joe Biden is one more reason for supporters of Israel to be concerned about the Obama Administration.

Ah, yes – so true!:

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The good thing was that Ryan was able to make his points quickly and efficiently.  The bad thing was that he occasionally looked like a deer in the headlights.  I understand that this look reflected his amazement at Joe’s behavior, his shock at Joe’s bald-faced lies, and his frustration that both Joe and debate moderator Martha Raddatz kept cutting him off and giving the floor to the crazy uncle.  Still, I wish he hadn’t been such a polite Midwesterner.

Thinking about it, though, Ryan may have done just the right thing.  While the base probably found Joe’s performance exciting and emotionally honest, I suspect that millions of Americans did not appreciate that Joe made a mockery of a ritual performance that is meant to enhance the honor of the presidential office and to give voters an opportunity to compare the two parties.  If people were actually comparing the two debaters, Ryan was an attractive, polite, stable, normal, well-informed young man.  Joe was the bloviating, obnoxious drunk at the bar who had grabbed Ryan by his lapel and wouldn’t let go.  You could practically see Ryan’s hair melt from the noxious odors wafting out from behind Joe’s peculiarly whitened dentures.

12 Responses to “Biden Laughs and Smirks His Way Through VP Debate – Ryan Wins (Lots of Updates)”

  1. Steven W. Says:

    The Republicans in Congress should bring those State Dept. people right back up there & get the intel. folks to show the big lie. Chris Matthews on Crack is right!

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  2. Carlos Says:

    Why let a little detail like congressional testimony under oath get in the way of a (to the administration and it’s sycophants) plausible story? Of course the film that no one in the world had ever seen (except, apparently, by some admin voyeur) was the cause of major riots throughout the muslim world (as if they needed an excuse for boorish behavior anyway – it just comes naturally to them, like scratching your behind when it itches) and killed at least four Americans.

    I really hope this administration sticks to its storylines for this and several other blatant lies (like in “F & F”) because as every day passes, more and more “undecideds” are seeing what grandiose and blatant liars not only Obama and Biden are, but nearly every jackass that has anything to do with them, too. (Nazi, Dingy and D. Swastika Schultz come immediately to mind in that regard.)

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  4. just a conservative girl Says:

    I give the slight win to Biden. His main job was to make sure his base and the loosely supporters are doing the GOTV efforts and of course voting. He accomplished that.

    Ryan had very high expectations of wiping the floor with Joe by his main base – he didn’t do that.

    The problem with the lies about Libya is that people don’t read the facts checks in many cases, and if they are not high information voters, they may not know he was outright lying.

    But, the upside in this to me is, if they are trying to excite their base with 25 days to go, they are in big trouble.

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  6. nicedeb Says:

    You don’t win a debate with easily debunked lies and extreme boorish behavior that excites no one but the base. Sorry – Ryan won that one on both style and substance. What most undecided low information voters remember most is Biden’s buffoonish behavior – and that’s also what most the pundits are talking about.

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  8. just a conservative girl Says:

    As you may know, I live in a very blue area of a purplish state. There is a diner near my house where during breakfast hours you can hear plenty of political talk. I purposely went to breakfast there this morning and the morning after the Romney/Obama debate. The difference was striking. All mopey and angry last week, all happy and ready to go out for GOTV efforts this weekend. That was Biden’s job last night. He accomplished it. There have been calls going out for people to do canvassing in CT, not by the state party, but by OFA. CT shouldn’t be an issue at all for them. He won by 23 four years ago.

    Very few people are going to decide on a VP candidate. Everyone has known that Biden is a gaffe machine, if it didn’t stop people four years ago, it isn’t going to stop them this year. Obama is young man in terms of the natural span of life.

    I think his behavior was planned out and he executed it just as they wanted. That is why I think he won by small margin. I was with 40 conservative activists watching the debate, most thought that Ryan’s performance was sub-par. They didn’t like Biden at all, but they felt Ryan was not aggressive enough to get his points across.

    I was watching the dials on CNN last night during the debate, Biden got high marks many times. Especially on abortion, which both surprised and saddened me.

    I have been of the belief for more than a year had Romney gotten the nomination it would mean four more years of Obama. It has only been in the last ten days or so that I have realized he may just pull this off. Which is why I am parking myself in Ohio every weekend for the duration. If Romney can get Ohio, I think we will be done with Obamanation.

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  9. sulli159 Says:

    Ryan was a perfect but too nice gentleman at times. He should of went for the juglar on the illegal fly overs in Libya; the calling for security weeks in advance of 9/11 and that security detail had been moved out knowing the miltants were infiltrated by al qaeda. Despite that the Muslim Brotherhood has always been Nazi supported when Hitler came to power. They created Hamas, a terrorists organization and Egypt is now carrying Nazi and bring back the ovens signs, persecuting Copts and burning their Churches. Most of the militants in Libya, Egypt and Syria and elsewhere are also paid mercanaries-just who is paying them?. Maybe Ryan knew this and I felt he should of let the public know just who obama is supporting. And why; because obama is helping the islamic world to create to a global caliphate with Shariah Law . Seems Assad, and Gadafi were not fundamentalist enough and of course Mubarak and Turkey were friendly to the west and Israel. But I would not consider Turkey an ally any more since obama came in office. I would of like to hear Ryan say what Rep Allen West said; move all of our people out, close down their emabassies here in the US and cut off all funding.

    I know also that the troops want to stay and establish some strong leadership in Afghan and Iraq and I know with the right kind of leadership they can continue to make progress fighting the Taliban and Al Qeada and win. But, I will have to apologize to them that there will ever be real freedom in an islamic country. With most of our “career oriented” commanders and our usurper-in-chief and his dastardly new ROEs, we are just making them sacrifices on the PC altar of TROP.

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  10. nicedeb Says:

    There’s a difference in “accomplishing what you set out to do” – in Biden’s case, animating his left-wing base – and actually winning a debate on the merits. Nobody disputes that his buffoonish behavior was tonic for extremists. But how is that “winning”?….It turned off the people in the middle they need to win over. And what most people are talking about today, is Biden’s demeanor — not any of the points he made.

    Ryan accomplished what he set out to do, as well. Sure, there were some missed opportunities, but he easily passed the VP test. He proved that he has the intellect, gravitas and class needed for the position – all qualities Biden lacks.

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