Video: Netanyahu’s Powerful Address To Congress

This video only contains the first seven minutes of Netanyahu’s excellent speech before a joint session of Congress, today. I’ll put up part two when it appears on Youtube.

You can watch the full video at the Right Scoop.

There were so many memorable lines in this speech, (which was read without the aid of a teleprompter):

In a region of shifting alliances, Israel is America’s unwavering ally. Israel has always been pro-American. Israel will always be pro-American.My friends, you don’t need to do nation building in Israel. We’re already built. You don’t need to export democracy to Israel. We’ve already got it. You don’t need to send American troops to defend Israel. We defend ourselves.

We’re proud that over one million Arab citizens of Israel have been enjoying these rights for decades. Of the 300 million Arabs in the Middle East and North Africa, only Israel’s Arab citizens enjoy real democratic rights. I want you to stop for a second and think about that. Of those 300 million Arabs, less than one-half of one-percent are truly free, and they’re all citizens of Israel!  This startling fact reveals a basic truth: Israel is not what is wrong about the Middle East. Israel is what is right about the Middle East.

Yet the Ayatollah regime briefly suspended its nuclear program only once, in 2003, when it feared the possibility of military action. That same year, Muammar Qadaffi gave up his nuclear weapons program, and for the same reason. The more Iran believes that all options are on the table, the less the chance of confrontation. This is why I ask you to continue to send an unequivocal message: That America will never permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons.

When we say never again, we mean never again. Israel always reserves the right to defend itself.

You see, our conflict has never been about the establishment of a Palestinian state. It has always been about the existence of the Jewish state. This is what this conflict is about. In 1947, the United Nations voted to partition the land into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews said yes. The Palestinians said no. In recent years, the Palestinians twice refused generous offers by Israeli Prime Ministers, to establish a Palestinian state on virtually all the territory won by Israel in the Six Day War.Israel will not return to the indefensible lines of 1967.

So I say to President Abbas: Tear up your pact with Hamas! Sit down and negotiate! Make peace with the Jewish state! And if you do, I promise you this. Israel will not be the last country to welcome a Palestinian state as a new member of the United Nations. It will be the first to do so.

Transcript here.

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Not a good sign:

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Atlas Shrugs: 56 Thunderous Times:

56 times. That’s how many times the Congress cheered, applauded and/or stood up for Benjamin Netanyahu. This kind of reception is reserved for a much loved president of …… the United States. He was welcomed with a standing ovation and over three minutes of thunderous applause.

And he did not disappoint. Binyamin was brilliant. I will post video as soon as it goes online.

This was history. Unforgettable.

“Israel has no better friend than America and America has no better friend than Israel,” Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said in his much-anticipated speech to a special joint session of Congress.
The two countries “stand together, to defend democracy, to advance peace and to fight terrorism.”

His speech was very strong, He did not downplay the disagreements, but discussed them forthrightly and was met with thunderous applause.

Lisa Graas: Rand Paul Pouts on Senate Floor During Netanyahu Speech

As Benjamin Netanyahu delivered his address before Congress, Rand Paul pouted…alone…on the Senate floor. haha

From Politico:

As senators gathered on the Senate floor before the address, Paul was spotted speaking to his staffers toward the back of the chamber. As the Senate procession across the Capitol began, the tea-party-backed senator quietly walked to his desk, sat down and began shuffling through papers and newspapers.

He remained the only senator on the Senate floor during the speech.

Keep reading, here.

Like father like son. And  here I thought he was different than his dad on foreign policy issues.

Blaze: CODEPINK Takes Responsibility for Netanyahu Heckler — Claims She Was Hurt.

She’s in a neck-brace and everything:


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107 Responses to “Video: Netanyahu’s Powerful Address To Congress”

  1. Carlos Says:

    Obhammud will view this speech the same way we view anything that comes out of his mouth – a pack of lies.

    Unfortunately for Obhammud, though, Netanyahu’s speech is packed with facts, something with which he is totally unfamiliar.

  2. Lisa Graas Says:

    Thanks for the link, sister!

  3. jetstream Says:

    This speech was historic. Netanyahu made perfectly clear that Israel under his watch will never turn itself over to the whims of the international community. If there is to be peace, it will have to be willingly negotiated with a legitimate palestinian government who rejects association with terrorist hamas. Israel will not meekly tolerate attack on its sovereign soil, or ever give up its existence as the God-given land of the Jews. Period.

    What was mind-boggling and incredibly sublime, was Netanyahu’s impromptu comments to the press after the speech to the joint session of congress. A podium was set up in the hallway for he and leaders of Congress to make comments to the press. Netanyahu spoke about his great pleasure in the positive response from members of Congress as he was greeted after the speech and it warmed his heart. Netanyahu went on to say that this basically changed his mind about the direction that Israel would take in its relationship with the U.S. Each of the top members of Congress from both houses then went to the podium and fell all over themselves making statements of support for Israel.

    I wish I had the transcript or video of Netanyahu’s statement to the press, but this is what I remember hearing as the subtext of his comments:

    I, Netanyahu, am ready and willing to end all your careers at this moment. What Obama has done is try to dictate the annihilation of Israel for the benefit of a palestinian state. And he is attempting to use the UN to make it happen. I will not stand for it. Israelis will never give up our country and if you, congress, do not stand up for Israel at this very moment I will expose you all. Our Mossad knows and has proof the usurper was installed with your knowledge and approval. You will all go down now as conspirators of treason to your country if you even think about throwing Israel to the wolves. It is the moment of truth. And if I open my mouth now there is no turning back or hiding this from your citizens, or the world.

    It was beautiful. Oh that we would be blessed with such a leader, a statesman who loves his country and has the strength of will that this “real man” has to protect it. Congress must be trembling in their thousand dollar shoes. Netanyahu can utterly destroy them in a few words if they so much as flinch from supporting Israel, and they know it.

  4. nicedeb Says:

    Great post, Lisa.

  5. ZZMike Says:

    Did anybody catch the comment Netanyahu made at the time of the interruptions? I heard about it on the radio. It sounded like he said something like, protesters couldn’t have made such a statement in the sham democracies of the Middle East.

    There are basically two places in the world where protests like this can happen, and have the protesters still alive the next day: Here, and in Israel.

    It’s ludicrous to expect the Palestinians to negotiate. There is one position from which they will not budge: Israel must be destroyed.

    Most of us have a short attention span. Here’s a news item from last Sept:

    Explosives cache destined for Gaza smuggling found in Sinai

    Another article:
    “Forces raided the area south of the Al-Arish port city and discovered 65 anti-aircraft missiles, 35 anti-tank missiles, as well as large quantities or ammunition, the sources added.

    Egyptian security forces said they discovered weapons and explosives on Monday, hidden in the border city of Rafah, prepared for smuggling into Gaza through tunnels.”

  6. SB Smith Says:

    Uh huh…..the code pink fool’s FEELINGS were hurt at being thrown out.
    However, I expect any physical issue to be blown out of proportion.

    *

  7. nicedeb Says:

    Or invented out of whole cloth.

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  9. Guy Fawkes Says:

    You are all sheep, this is disgusting. If you are intelligent enough to see past political pandering and discern actual information, this speech essentially attempts to validate Israel’s ridiculous border claims, by stating that they will not allow a Palestine which is not surrounded by Israeli territory. Watch the full speech, not this nice little clipping from the beginning. This is great for everyone who is afraid of peace. Come September, when Palestine appeals to the UN for their rights to statehood (exactly as Israel did before it’s birth), we will see unprecedented political turmoil because of right-wing hardliner Israeli bullshit like this.

  10. nicedeb Says:

    Sorry, Bucko, we know the real history of the region and understand Israel’s position.

    Who in their right minds think Israel should negotiate with Hamas, a terrorist organization who has vowed (actually written it into their party’s charter) to destroy them?

    An Israeli or Jew who agrees with such a thing is the very definition of sheep. Taking the pro-Palestinian side is uh…the counterpart to that. Which are you?

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  12. Tex Taylor Says:

    Guy,

    Is your middle name Yasser? Why don’t you take your complaint to the Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians, where you will find the lying, sympathetic ear you seek?

    Understand something Guy. Jerusalem was Israel, is Israel, and will always be Israel. It can not be divided, and that is not negotiable.

  13. ZZMike Says:

    Look at a map of the Middle East,from Iran all the way out to Gibraltar, at least 8.5×11.

    Notice how much of that land is Muslim/Arab.

    Now look at the tiny little strip labeled “Israel”.

    The hypocritical Arabs have no thought – let alone love – for their “Palestinian brothers”. There’s more than enough land for them to give the residents of the area known as Palestine (a name imposed by the Romans way back when) a country 3 or 4 times as big as Israel, and not even notice the difference to their own territory.

    But no. They need the Palestinians as a pawn in their religious war with Israel.

    It’s like when two young kids are playing with two balls, and one of them (the Palestinians) cries and says “I want that ball, too!!”.

    Every concession Israel has ever made hasn’t brought the Hamas-driven Palestinians an inch closer to peace. They only want more.

    “Israel’s ridiculous border claims, by stating that they will not allow a Palestine which is not surrounded by Israeli territory”

    Within hours of Israel’s founding in 1948, it was attacked from all sides.

    nicedeb: “An Israeli or Jew who agrees with such a thing is the very definition of sheep. ”

    That’s an interesting point. I have to wonder why Obama got so much of the “Jewish vote”.

    Netanyahu’s speech is going to be included in the “100 Best Speeches in History” within a few years.

  14. nicedeb Says:

    Netanyahu’s speech is going to be included in the “100 Best Speeches in History” within a few years.

    I agree. It was so wonderful to watch a strong, principled leader speak once again, I didn’t want him to stop.. He’s someone who actually does “share our values”.

    When Obama speaks, I make a beeline for the remote.

    When I was struck deaf on on election day 2008 ( bilateral ear infections caused both eardrums to burst) I considered it a merciful act of God.

  15. Guy Fawkes Says:

    @nicedeb: I am a liberal educated Canadian of neither Jewish nor Palestinian descent, and you, my friend, are a fool.

    @TexTaylor: Take a fucking history class.

    Why is it that 112 countries have pledged their support for a Palestinian State? They must all be terrorists with their middle names being Yasser…get a fucking clue.

  16. Guy Fawkes Says:

    By the way:
    # of Children killed: 124 Israelis, 1,452 Palestinians
    # of Civilians killed: 731 Israelis, 3,535-4,226 Palestinians

    Causes of Deaths of Israeli Soldiers (2005)
    Committed Suicide: 30
    Illness: 14
    Accidents: 26
    Terror Incidents 6

    Those poor Israelis have so much to fear from the obviously bloodthirsty, brutal, and capable Palestinians. Go back to school or pick up a book. By the way Arabs are a part of this world too, as much as you all may dislike that.

  17. Guy Fawkes Says:

    Oops, forgot the source for the figures.

    Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv, Oct. 10, 2005, p. 6.

  18. Guy Fawkes Says:

    Oh and if anyone would like to read a dissenting opinion (and actually good writing to boot): http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/05/201152512623687256.html

  19. ZZMike Says:

    al-Jazeera? I think not.

  20. Guy Fawkes Says:

    @ZZMike: If you would read things for once (trust me, quite useful in life), you would see that it was written by a Senior Foreign Policy Fellow at Media Matters Action Network (MJ Rosenberg). The article first appeared in Foreign Policy Matters, a part of the Media Matters Action Network, and was only put on the Al-Jazeera website. But I’m sure you prefer Fox News and CNN because those are some REAL news agencies eh? Hahah oh man, with people like you I am starting to think the world really is doomed.

  21. nicedeb Says:

    of Children killed: 124 Israelis, 1,452 Palestinians

    # of Civilians killed: 731 Israelis, 3,535-4,226 Palestinians

    OMG. Why do you think that is, you tool?

    Could it possibly because these nihilistic savages lob their bombs from heavily populated areas to either suppress retaliation, or use the retaliation for propaganda purposes so TOOLS like you can use it against Israel?

    Senior Foreign Policy Fellow at Media Matters

    LOL!!!

  22. nicedeb Says:

    Now that I know one of the “senior fellows” at Media Matters takes the pro-Palestinian side, I am going to have to re-examine all my pro-Israeli positions.

    By Gosh, Media Matters must be so proud that their rubbish is being used as pro-Palestinian propaganda fodder by al Jazeera.

  23. Guy Fawkes Says:

    I doesn’t matter why that is. Are you seriously justifying the killing of children? I’m sorry I won’t even dignify your shitty blog with a response anymore. Please dear god for the good of humanity get sterilized. Also, I can tell you have not received much post-secondary education, as ‘senior fellow’ refers to completing a a senior fellowship which is an academic rank superior to pHD, and not a fellow who has been around a long time as you imply. Wow you just really really suck all around don’t you? You are hateful and an idiot. Haha, wow.

  24. Guy Fawkes Says:

    Oh by the way, our ‘senior fellow’ was director of policy at Israel Policy Forum from 1998-2009. I think he probably knows what he is talking about more so than your sorry self armed with an inbred gene pool, an isolated and ignorant worldview and, a pudding-soft 10th grade education. Go back to school you fucking pleb.

  25. nicedeb Says:

    Awwwww….Guy Fawkes’ precious, pretentious, pseudo-intellectual preening has failed to impress, so now he lashes out with vile, personal insults. Wow, who could have predicted it? When has an unhinged, left-wing tool ever engaged in such tactics, when losing an argument, before?

    I thought about deleting your last comment, but it will stand, because it helps expose the moral and intellectual poverty of your arguments.

  26. nicedeb Says:

    “director of policy at Israel Policy Forum from 1998-2009.”

    Hot damn! Now, I’m impressed!

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=7231

    Oh, and we’ve got the Senior Fellow’s number:

    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/05/20/media-matters-honcho-attacks-israel-aipac-calls-netanyahu-terrorist/

  27. nicedeb Says:

    One more thing, for anyone else who reads this. The numbers of side by side casualties cited by Guy Fawkes should be dismissed as the propaganda it is. I neglected to point that out when I responded to it.

    Using profoundly dishonest casualty figures is a defining characteristic of Palestinian propaganda. Using profoundly dishonest facts and figures is also a defining characteristic of the left.

    (As are making vile, hateful smears against an opponent when losing an argument on the merits.)

    Go figure.

    That said. Wrap your mind around his response to the fact that Palestinian terrorists lob bombs at Israel from heavily populated areas in Gaza.

    “I (sic) doesn’t matter.”

    You see, he would have Israel not defend itself against a people who believe that their childrens’ “martyrdom” is a holy and glorious thing. He would have them bullied into making more concessions to a people who want nothing more than their complete and utter annihilation.

    Guy Fawkes is on board with that. Don’t let his crocodile tears for the victims of the conflict fool you.

  28. Guy Fawkes Says:

    You are racist and irrational so I cannot continue to debate with you. I stand by all my comments. Those figures are accurate and I have cited the sources. I especially like how you did not defend your implication that killing children is justified. When this war comes because Israel will not negotiate peace, I hope you are on the front lines. May god have mercy on your soul, you poor vile thing you.

    Oh by the way I’m 27 and finishing of my doctorate shortly. I’ll soon be in a University near you and fear not, I’ll teach your children how to be truly compassionate, rational adults. No matter what you say after I close this page forever (so I won’t see it by the way – feel free to really let me have it), that will be my last laugh. :)

  29. nicedeb Says:

    Hi Fawkes. I knew you’d be back.

    Oh by the way I’m 27 and finishing of my doctorate shortly

    If that’s true, your parents should ask for their money back. You haven’t been taught how to think, you’ve been taught what to think. That’s why your idea of an argument is “You are racist”, “hateful” or “inbred” for disagreeing with you.

    We’re hateful, yet you’re the one spewing obscenities and hurling unhinged personal insults. Lib projection at its finest.

    Take a good look at yourself, Fawkes. At 27, you have much growing up to do.

    You have no clue as to how typical and clownish a left-wing tool you are — haughtily explaining what “senior fellow”means! Lulz! I’m sorry you don’t realize that the “senior fellows” at Media Matters are a laughingstock in the right-wing blogosphere. They are as full of themselves as you are of yourself.

    I especially like how you did not defend your implication that killing children is justified.

    Was that necessary? When a country is forced to defend itself by firing back at terrorists who fire their rockets from heavily populated areas –collateral damage is unfortunately unavoidable. You are placing the blame on the people who actually value human life instead of the nihilists who don’t. The Israelis are faced with allowing themselves to be bombed with impunity, fight back against fanatics who put their own children in harms way to score propaganda points, or give up more to Islamofascists who want to annihilate them.

    But you’re a brainwashed drone who never learned how to think for himself, so that’s a real tough concept for you to grasp, I’m sure.

  30. Nick in Oxford Says:

    And this is just the type of drivel from both sides that makes me wonder why the two party system is still so precious in America. Unbelievable, both of you…

  31. nicedeb Says:

    Really Nick? Should we go with a one party dictatorship?

  32. ZZMike Says:

    Guy Fawkes: “If you would read things for once (trust me, quite useful in life)…”

    I’ve already read enough in, of, and about al-Jazeera – over the years – to know who they work for and what their agenda is. I don’t read the Socialist Daily Worker either, though it may contain some very fine writing.

    Since you promised us you’d be leaving in a huff (or a minute and a huff), you probably won’t be reading this.

    The really truly sad thing about the Palestinians (aside from the fact that they voted Hamas to be their leaders) is that they’re being used as pawns by their oh-so-compassionate Arab brothers, who would rather keep them under their thumb than to actually help them. Like, for instance, with aid, or giving them a home somewhere in the boundless Arab territories.

    “… I’ll teach your children how to be truly compassionate, rational adults.”

    Compassionate, like the Arabs and Palestinians (who lob rude unguided missiles almost daily into Israel), and rational, like you?

    You’ll find a warm welcome in the faculty lounge, but you’ll find that the students may not be the mindless pliable clay
    you and your ilk were when you were a student.

    There are times when I feel like it’s pointless to try to reason with a liberal. It wastes your time and annoys the liberal.

  33. Nick in Oxford Says:

    Not at all, I am merely suggesting that third parties should play a greater role. I would love to see third parties win more seats in Congress. In English parliament and other places it has proven to be rather interesting how the different, multiple parties can ally depending on the issue. People are so left or so right that it seems like they try to put everything into black or white. No one tries to see the gray in the matter and those that do are shouted down.

    As to Israel, as the UN piece of chartered land they are I believe some concessions should be made, as Netanyahu has himself noted, however to return to pre-1967 borders would prove too hard to maintain and enforce. We should wait and see what Netanyahu comes back with and then allow some negotiation from there.

  34. Nick in Oxford Says:

    Really what I was more trying to point out was how the debate between you and Guy had degenerated into pure and utter name calling. I agree Guy ended up out breaking and went too far in the name calling but firing back with “tool” and “brainwashed” doesn’t really make it look any better. That was all I meant.

  35. ZZMike Says:

    Nick in Oxford: “… makes me wonder why the two party system is still so precious in America. Unbelievable, both of you.”

    One party works well in North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, and so on. Even our Glorious Leader (Obama) allowed as to how Mr Hu had it so much easier. The Chief says, “Let it be written; let it be done”, and it is. No fuss, no muss, no debate. (As i think on that, it seems very much that that’s his aim.)

    The many-party system, as in Italy, gives rise to a new government every few months.

    One tends to believe that your “Oxford” is the one in Formerly Great Britain. They have two parties, but I don’t think any number of parties N<0 is going to help much there.

    Do say hello to your fellow countryman, Mr Fawkes, should you see him. Advise him to keep his powder dry.

  36. Nick in Oxford Says:

    Lol, nice fifth of November reference Mike…I shall if I ever see him. Remind me to let him know he left his lantern at the Ashmoleon Museum as well… :) Anyhow, there are three main parties in the English parliamentary system. Plus there are still smaller ones at various local levels. Not sure where you got the two in your post.

  37. nicedeb Says:

    He is a brainwashed tool.

  38. nicedeb Says:

    You’ll find a warm welcome in the faculty lounge, but you’ll find that the students may not be the mindless pliable clay
    you and your ilk were when you were a student.

    Plus they’re armed with cell phone cameras, so pro-Palestinian propaganda and blatant left-wing indoctrination can be filmed and posted on youtube (or Brieitbart’s Big Education) for all to see.

  39. Nick in Oxford Says:

    I know but calling him out on it after going after him for namecalling seems hypocritical. I know I am splitting hairs now and it isn’t important it just irked me a bit is all. I am over it now.

  40. nicedeb Says:

    Really Nick? You would compare “tool” to the barrage of profanities and nasty insults he hurled my way?

    I’m not against mild name-calling like “tool”. I find it a more colorful way of making a point than spending a boring paragraph explaining why a guy repeating pro-Palestinian propaganda when we know he couldn’t last three days in an Islamic caliphate, makes him a useful idiot – (and there’s really no nice way to say that). And almost certainly, it’s his antipathy toward the Christian right that is what’s probably driving his ideology. “Tool” is pithy and kinda sums it all up.

    Of course, I would have been more congenial had he not been such an insufferable douche from the very beginning. I admit, I have a very short fuse.

    What I called him out for were his vicious, uncalled for personal ad homs like “inbred”, “racist”, “uneducated”, “shitty”, “an idiot”, “hater”, “should be sterilized” (he apparently read my “about” page), etc. all based not on anything but his blind, unhinged rage at being disagreed with.

    I take umbrage that you would compare anything I said to that.

  41. Guy Fawkes Says:

    Aren’t you glad to see me back? I just missed talking to you so much – listening to Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, and Sarah Palin speak on youtube just couldn’t quite match your particular level of conservative craziness. OK look, I am sorry for calling you names I agree that gets no where. Now you keep calling me a liberal and a leftist like that is a bad thing. What I am championing here is a fundamental respect for human rights, which Israel breaks and destroys on a regular basis in terms of the Palestinian people (read the Goldstone Report for starters). Regardless of what action has taken place it is never justified to kill children, and if you can’t see that than you truly are lost. As I said Arabs are people in this world too, they, along with every person (including Israelis – oh what I’m not a pro Palestinian fundamentalist?) deserve to live their lives based on the fundamental human rights and concept of human security as defined by the UN. Peace is an entirely possible concept. Do not forget that before the UN mandated a Jewish state that it was the Jews who, by your logic, were called terrorists. Yes Palestinians currently fight back with rocks and weak rocket fire (non-technologically advanced and short range – today’s poor mans weapon) against a rich (due to American assistance) country barraging them with hellfire missiles and the latest military technology – they do so because they are losing their homes, their livelihood, and their dignity. I don’t condone violence in any sense – ESPECIALLY when it is avoidable. It is a conservative frame of mind that examines the current situation and pays no credence to the factors that led to it. If my rational through process and ideals of peace building are considered left and liberal than I wear that badge with honor.

    Also, it is the mandate of most universities to provide a strong, liberal education so you may want to home school your children if you don’t want them exposed to compassionate, rational thinking.

    By the way your “disagreement” is not what fuels my “unhinged rage”, its my frustration that people like actually think you are better than anyone else. And before you attack what I just said right there, I am referring to your belief that the killing of Arabs is justified because they are ‘nihilistic’ and think differently than you. We should probably go back in time and string up Kierkegaard, Heidegger, and Nietzsche. I mean, it’s not like they contributed anything to the human discourse of philosophy and the western way of life. In fact lets just kill everyone that’s different than us – no?

  42. Guy Fawkes Says:

    Oh and yes Nick, she is being hypocritical but it is difficult for most people to see that, especially self-righteous conservatives. And yes, I can admit that I am hypocritical at times. Also, I agree with you about multiple parties – increasing party polarity is a major contribution to the shitstorm that the American political spectrum is currently in. Wait till they start defaulting on their debts because of it. Then we’ll see some interesting politics.

  43. Nick in Oxford Says:

    Deb I am sorry to offend. I am not saying you said anything as bad, like I said I am over it. It is best to move on from that. We have moved way off topic from the question at hand.

  44. Guy Fawkes Says:

    Oh come on Nick she said just as bad. Why pander to some one you don’t know? Whatever, I wash my hands of this. And Deb if you can’t take a little criticism and insult then run away from politics as fast as you can.

  45. Guy Fawkes Says:

    And clearly racist to boot. Despite the fact that she puts that in quotation marks and labels it an insult.

  46. nicedeb Says:

    Well, isn’t it special that Guy Fawkes admits he’s a hypocrite?

    Maybe, if given a chance, he’ll also admit he engages in another typical symptom of left-wing mental illness – projection – like calling people “crazies” because they have another point of view – - – - – after twice vowing to not come back to this very blog.

    See, I would look at someone’s actual unhinged behavior before I made such an assessment. Like making vile personal attacks on a stranger, acting comically haughty and huffy, vowing to leave and never return twice – only to keep coming back…..stuff like that.

    More pathetic projection, here:

    By the way your “disagreement” is not what fuels my “unhinged rage”, its my frustration that people like actually think you are better than anyone else.

    Look in the mirror, Fawkes.

    your belief that the killing of Arabs is justified because they are ‘nihilistic’ and think differently than you.

    Absolute mindless, drivel — either dishonest alinskyism, or more evidence that you’ve been taught what to think – not how to think. Whichever, it’s so sad to see.

    These people are “nihilistic” because they. are. “nihilistic”. Words mean things. Look it up if you don’t know what it means. Radical Islamists are people who don’t put any value on life and do not fear death. Not just Israel, but all civilization is faced with a transcendent conflict with those who love death both for themselves and their enemies more than life.

    Palestinian children are taught from the time they are born to despise Jews and loathe the West. Palestinian Muslims live on global largesse and then complain that it’s not enough – perpetual victims – while they celebrate terrorist “martyrs” for blowing up Israelis. When an Israeli family was slaughtered in their sleep, (including a baby, who’s throat was slashed) by a Palestinian terrorist, candies and sweets were handed out in Gaza to celebrate the courageous murder.

    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2011/03/open-letter-to-harvey-weinstein.html

    Yes, by God, they do think “differently” than us, and that’s why I don’t believe this conflict is ever going to have a peaceful solution. That’s why Israel is in existential danger.

    Arabs are people in this world too, they, along with every person (including Israelis – oh what I’m not a pro Palestinian fundamentalist?) deserve to live their lives based on the fundamental human rights and concept of human security as defined by the UN. Peace is an entirely possible concept.

    Bla bla bla… more mindless platitudes. Do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state, or not? What you, and the president, and other lefties won’t admit, is that you believe the creation of Israel was a mistake, and is the cause of Muslim animus and terror.

    Get rid of the mistake, get rid of the terror.

    Of course, you’d be wrong there, like you’re almost certainly wrong about everything else.

  47. nicedeb Says:

    And clearly racist to boot.

    You are pathetic.

  48. mesablue Says:

    Who’s the walking talking point with the incredibly original moniker?

    Sorosbot.

  49. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    Guy, dear friend: why are you being a douchebag?

  50. Car in Says:

    Also, it is the mandate of most universities to provide a strong, liberal education so you may want to home school your children if you don’t want them exposed to compassionate, rational thinking.

    This word “liberal” – I don’t think it means what you think it does.

    College students today are not given a “liberal” education. They are indoctrinated in leftest ideology. They do nothing but parrot the words of their leftist professors. They usually have a woefully lacking knowledge of history and an inability to think rationally.

    This isn’t a “liberal” education.

  51. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    I especially like how you did not defend your implication that killing children is justified.

    Napalm, Napalm
    Flaming Goo
    Sticks to the women
    And the little kids too!

    OOOOoooooraaaaahhhhhh!

  52. Car in Says:

    Oh by the way I’m 27 and finishing of my doctorate shortly. I’ll soon be in a University near you and fear not, I’ll teach your children how to be truly compassionate, rational adults. No matter what you say after I close this page forever (so I won’t see it by the way – feel free to really let me have it), that will be my last laugh. :)

    The irony is rich with this comment.

  53. mesablue Says:

    Yes Palestinians currently fight back with rocks and weak rocket fire

    Firing Qassam military grade rockets into civilian areas is fighting back?

    Just one year — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2010

    Heh, Dumbshits…

    On 2 August, Hamas militants in Egypt fired seven Iranian-made Grad missiles at the resort city of Eilat in the extreme south of Israel. Overshot missiles hit the Jordanian city of Aqaba, killing one person and wounding several.

    On 20 October, an accidental explosion occurred at a Hamas Qassam rocket training site in the densely crowded Tel As-Sultan neighborhood of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip. Thirteen people were injured by flying shrapnel, including five children and three women.[3

  54. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    Oh by the way I’m 27 and finishing of my doctorate shortly

    FFtt.

    Snort. cough.

    BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  55. Cyn Says:

    Whatever, I wash my hands of this.

    And yet you keep coming back. You get paid “per comment” don’t you?

  56. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    What’s the doctorate in, friend? It sure as hell ain’t in English. Generally, we use punctuation and “Finishing of my doctorate” is either douchebag pretension or illiteracy.

    Not that there’s an effective difference.

  57. nicedeb Says:

    Come back Fawkes, the cavalry has arrived!

  58. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    I’ll teach your children how to be truly compassionate, rational adults.

    “Yes, sir. You’re correct. I’m sorry. We’ll be sure to get that to you without onions.”

  59. mesablue Says:

    Oh by the way I’m 27 and finishing of my doctorate shortly

    Soooo, you’re admitting that you have the wisdom and life experience of the average hipster goofball.

    Pretty much qualifies everything else you’ve said up to this put as naive gibberish.

    Run, Forest, run!!!

  60. Cyn Says:

    I am a liberal educated Canadian…

    This explains so very much.

  61. Car in Says:

    We should be nicer. All this time in school, he probably hasn’t read about the higher education collapse that is eminent.

    He should start practicing “would you like fries with that?”

    The competition for hourly jobs among people educated to do NOTHING is going to be fierce.

  62. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    I got an “A” on my Emerson paper.

    I which to live a life of the mind.

  63. nicedeb Says:

    This isn’t a “liberal” education.

    The funny thing is, although my kids have been taught to recognize left-wing bias when they see it, not all professors have the “compassionate”, “rational”, “liberal” worldview he thinks they have.

    Like my son’s freshman year physics prof who had an NoObama poster on his office door in 2008. He’s clearly a raaaaacist like us.

  64. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    Oh by the way I’m 27 and finishing of my doctorate shortly

    With that and a hundred bucks, you too can feel the touch of a woman.

  65. beasn on borrowed machine Says:

    Oh by the way I’m 27 and finishing of my doctorate shortly

    How long before you grow up and live in the real world. You know, with adult taxes and bills and problems.

    Who died and made you king of compassion. Who says your compassion is a compassion that is better than someones else’s compassion. No doubt your compassion extends to babies who get dismembered during an abortion.

  66. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    How long before you grow up and live in the real world. You know, with adult taxes and bills and problems.

    Little known fact: you actually can eat a graduate degree.

  67. beasn on borrowed machine Says:

    I am a liberal educated Canadian…

    equals no critical thinking skills

  68. Nick in Oxford Says:

    And what higher education do you fine lads have? I’m waiting…

  69. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    OK, I’ll stop being a smartass and lay it out for you.

    27 with a PhD is, in the real world, roughly akin to my 3 month old: lots of potential, but she can’t wipe her own ass yet. I don’t have a PhD-I have two decades experience in the business world, four kids, and a life. I’ve argued cases in court, set up new businesses, negotiated 40 million dollar deals, and then dealt with the mortgage, the electric bill, and the car without a muffler. You. Are. Nothing.

    It’s called growing up. Hell, I don’t even know if I agree with Nice Deb’s take on whatever this blog post is about. And I don’t care. You don’t come in here with your nice, shiny new arrogance and act like you know anything. You don’t.

  70. beasn on borrowed machine Says:

    Well, Nick, we are teachers and engineers, for starters. We live in the real world. Most are in the half that pay taxes.

  71. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    And what higher education do you fine lads have? I’m waiting…

    Съешьте мои яички, Николэй.

  72. beasn on borrowed machine Says:

    And we teach our kids right and wrong and the value of hard work. They will eventually learn about the liberal class of parasites that want to ride on their backs.

  73. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    Haha, Николэй, you couldn’t win a poker game with this group that showed up. Lawyers, rocket scientists (literally), bunch of number crunchers, businessmen…..

    I’ll have the vegetable medley with that.

  74. Nick in Oxford Says:

    Hey, I’m 21, I’m getting ready for my senior year at a good school, I’m a co-director and curator of a museum, and I plan on getting a master’s and doctorate if I can keep up the grades and get merit. I respect you Herr, you did a lot without a pHD. The fact of the matter is that in today’s world it seems you need at least a masters to do anything in life. You came from a much simpler time that, quite frankly, I wish still existed.

  75. Nick in Oxford Says:

    Тво цан плаи ат тгат ґаме, лад.

  76. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    The fact of the matter is that in today’s world it seems you need at least a masters to do anything in life.

    Bullshit. MBAs are openly laughed at. The only place advanced degrees help you are in academia (as dodgy a profession” as “preacher”), in government (which is a dying industry worldwide), or, the real case, the hard sciences.

    To “do anything in life” you have to leave the house before 7. Universally, the BMWs and the Mercedes are in the parking lot two hours before the Chevies and the Fords. What you have to do to “do anything in life” is GO TO WORK AND WORK YOUR ASS OFF. Nothing less, nothing more. I have a good friend who has a hell of a lot more money than I do. He’s a plumber. He has about 15 vans running at any given time. He did not get a degree. He worked his ass off and makes more than his lawyer, his doctor, and any professor that would dare look down his nose at him for being a professional turd-herder, combined.

    Go to work.

  77. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    Ты мне — я тебе.

  78. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    You came from a much simpler time

    Nonsense. It’s never changed.

  79. Teresa in Fort Worth, TX Says:

    Come September, when Palestine appeals to the UN for their rights to statehood (exactly as Israel did before it’s birth), we will see unprecedented political turmoil because of right-wing hardliner Israeli bullshit like this.

    BZZZZT – you lose, but thanks for playing our home game; statehood ain’t happening this September in the UN:

    As reported by the Jerusalem Post, the President of the U.N. General Assembly confirms that the Palestinians cannot obtain U.N. recognition as a member state unless the matter is referred to the General Assembly by the Security Council:

    The Palestinians cannot circumvent the UN Security Council to avoid a likely US veto if they try to join the United Nations as a sovereign state later this year, a top UN official said on Friday.
    But the official made clear a US veto would not put the issue of Palestinian statehood and UN membership to rest.

    Some Arab diplomats in New York have suggested it would be possible for the Palestinians to bypass the UN Security Council and go straight to the 192-nation General Assembly to win approval for a planned UN membership application.

    The UN charter says that new members are admitted by the General Assembly on the recommendation of the 15-nation Security Council, where the United Sates, Britain, France, China and Russia are permanent members with veto powers.

    The current president of the General Assembly, Joseph Deiss of Switzerland, was asked by reporters if there was a way for the Palestinians to become a UN member state if its application was vetoed by the United States, which opposes the idea. Deiss said, “No.”

    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/05/palestinians-miscalculate-again-will.html

    But don’t despair – we have some lovely parting gifts for you; if you ask really nicely, I’m sure that NiceDeb would be more than happy to send you one of her nifty mugs and/or a lovely T-Shirt!

  80. Teresa in Fort Worth, TX Says:

    …you did a lot without a pHD.

    Excuse me – I believe you owe me a new keyboard…..

    But you’re only 21, so you can be forgiven your condescending naivete.

    Look around at the corporate boardrooms around the world – I believe you will find that the overwhelming majority of “successful” people do NOT have PHD’s.

    Bill Gates never finished his bachelor’s degree, yet he managed to do all right without it. I don’t believe Albert Einstein got a college degree either.

    Some of the smartest, most successful people in the world would be considered “failures” by your misguided standards. Look around at professions other than the liberal arts – you’ll be unpleasantly surprised at how little an advanced degree will “advance” a person’s career…..

  81. Nick in Oxford Says:

    I do agree with the hard work mentality. My father taught me that. I dunno if Anything I will go on in my schooling simply to delay the harsh reality of the real worlds lack of entry jobs.

  82. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    if Anything I will go on in my schooling simply to delay the harsh reality of the real worlds lack of entry jobs.

    That’s an honest answer, but a poor excuse. Finish your degree, and go open a sandwich stand. You’ll make more. Save that money, and open a restaurant. Save that money, and open a chain of restaurants.

    Then get the fuck out of Britain and retire to the Bahamas.

  83. mrchumpo Says:

    *Whistles while mopping up the mess, same as always*

  84. Nick in Oxford Says:

    That was not meant to be condescending. Read more Into it. I mean it with respect. He has done more than I can dream of as a historian. I respect that. Please don’t put meaning into my words that isn’t my own thoughts.

  85. Teresa in Fort Worth, TX Says:

    …I’m a co-director and curator of a museum…

    Funded, no doubt, by the tax dollars of the very people upon whom you look down.

    I wonder how willing they would be to continue their largesse if they knew the contempt that you hold for their “lesser” lives and “lower” education.

    Without the money forcibly coerced from the fruits of their hard labor, I seriously doubt your museum would be able to exist on its own “merits”. Museums are a nice luxury which are only afforded to civilizations which live in relative peace and prosperity – you would do well to remember that.

    When people are struggling to put food on the table or pay for increasingly expensive gasoline to put in their cars so that they can continue to go to work, THEY QUIT GOING TO MUSEUMS, because that is an unnecessary expense.

    Again – you are young and naive, and at your age you do not truly have the first idea of how “the real world” works. You have the luxury of living in the protected world of academia, which bears absolutely NO resemblance to the big, bad, world that the rest of us live in.

    Time to take off your rose-colored glasses, and grow up.

  86. Teresa in Fort Worth, TX Says:

    …if Anything I will go on in my schooling simply to delay the harsh reality of the real world’s lack of entry jobs.

    The only “harsh reality”, dear sir, is that “History” as a major, is not a part of the “real world” which contains “entry-level jobs”.

    Always remember that a cup of coffee is going to cost the same, whether you are a garbage collector or someone who has a PHD in History.

    And just looking at you, nobody knows (or cares) what your education level is – they only care if you are a kind and decent person who is going to give them basic respect. If you pull the “PHD” card out first thing, most people are going to assume that you are expecting them to be impressed by the alphabet soup behind your name.

    However, if you can’t back that up with evidence that you understand what you are talking about, they aren’t going to be impressed at all by those letters; they’ll just assume that your education was wasted.

  87. nicedeb Says:

    Nick has always been decent and respectful on this blog. Please don’t confuse him with the troll, Guy Fawkes.

  88. Nick in Oxford Says:

    Lower education! Contempt! Please! I went to public school and graduated well in my class. The only reason I can afford to go to Gettysburg is thanks to merit scholarships. I don’t look down on anyone. I am going to have college debt and I plan to do my best to cover it. Never, ever accuse me of something that has happened to me. I apologize if I came off that way. Also I am merely spending a semester in England and will return to my home in cny.

  89. Car in Says:

    And what higher education do you fine lads have? I’m waiting…

    I have a Master’s degree. But, the ONLY thing I learned in college was how to learn, and that skill I acquired in ONE course out of all 6 years.

    So. there’s that.

    It’s called reading, living, listening ….

    You can’t learn shit in a classroom. Sorry. Most of it is bullshit.

  90. Teresa in Fort Worth, TX Says:

    No matter what you say after I close this page forever (so I won’t see it by the way – feel free to really let me have it), that will be my last laugh.

    So Brave Sir Robin is going to run away?
    Typical.
    Just remember, though – he is 27 and getting his doctorate.

    And he’s going to teach your kids to be compassionate – just as long as they don’t have to stick around to defend their actions……

  91. Teresa in Fort Worth, TX Says:

    Nick has always been decent and respectful on this blog. Please don’t confuse him with the troll, Guy Fawkes.

    My sincerest apologies.

  92. Car in Says:

    Not to get too off track, but we need to get off of this higher education hamster wheel.

    Abraham Lincoln never went to college. Educated himself reading.

    We’ve been sold a bill of goods, and college administrators are laughing themselves silly. From their expensive cars.

  93. Nick in Oxford Says:

    I agree Car. Totally forgot what this post was originally about.

  94. Teresa in Fort Worth, TX Says:

    And what higher education do you fine lads have? I’m waiting…

    High school valedictorian; no college degree, but over 100 hours toward a Civil Engineering degree at Texas A&M University (no slouch when it comes to engineering graduates).

    Raised 4 daughters – 1 with a Mechanical Engineering degree and pursuing a Master’s degree while working full-time; 1 still in college; 1 entering college in the fall; 1 with Down syndrome.

    I may not have any alphabet soup behind my name, but you underestimate me at your own peril….

  95. Nick in Oxford Says:

    As presaid fullest respect there Theresa.

  96. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    Partly at Nice Deb’s request, but mostly because you’re a good kid, Nick, I apologize. I misread what you were saying. That was my bad.

    Don’t get hung up on “getting credentialed”. It’s a shitty way to spend your time. I’m serious when I said open a restaurant. You meet people who know things, and from them you learn. But any business is the same way. Carin’s right: we’ve been sold a bill of goods. “Education” is not the same thing, by far, as “credentialed”. I paid my own way through college and stood in the dean’s office saying “There ain’t no way in hell I’m paying $250 a credit hour for a three hour course on “Gender Economics”. You get rid of this requirement or I’m kicking your ass”.

    I still don’t know what Gender Economics is, cuz I didn’t take the class.

  97. Nick in Oxford Says:

    I hear that Herr, there are a few courses I still have no idea about and don’t care much to learn of in that regard.

  98. Vmaximus Says:

    Back to Guy Fawkes, what kind of person uses a screen name of a failed assassin that has been burned in effigy for 400 years?

    Oh Right, a Hipster with almost a Phd

  99. Demosthenes Says:

    Well first of all I think Nick seems to be a very well adjusted 21 year old and undeserving of any brash criticism.

    As for this Guy Fawkes guy, he is clearly quite naive as to the political reality in Israel and Palestine but as far as his comment about everyone deserving “to live their lives based on the fundamental human rights and concept of human security as defined by the UN” I don’t see how anyone could argue with that. Also, I agree with him that it never justifiable to kill children, no matter what indoctrination they may have received. I don’t want to get thirty people insult me now because of that, I’m just saying that aside from his poor taste in language and unnecessary insults some of what he says is very true and good stuff. If peace is possible, we should strive for it anywhere and everywhere. I would have been interested to hear how he would propose this peace but I doubt he will be back considering he seems to be fairly outnumbered. If you do come back, sir, maybe you could explain to us how this ‘peace’ can be constructed?

    He clearly made a mistake by coming to a right-ish blog and posting contentious statements. I don’t think he was prepared to be berated by twenty different people and acted quite poorly and distastefully with the insults. However, the rest of you have been just as bad (perhaps not with the severity of language, but you mean the same things). You seem to have taken his viewpoint to an extreme, as he has done yours. There are always going to be multiple viewpoints and this forum has clearly illustrated the polar opposites. I praise Nick for his centralist stance which is much more akin to my own. And thank god we live in a world where multiple views can exist and come together in polite discourse (or in this case not so polite).

    As for Netanyahu’s speech, it was well delivered but I feel there were some serious flaws and disagree that is could be considered one of the top 100 speeches in history. I was particularly surprised by the support shown by the democrats. By the way, you really should watch the whole speech and not the snippet here which is little more than an introduction.

    The peace process/problem in that region is not the kind that will be solved over night but I do think that it is possible if the right kind of steps are take, the problem is that neither side is willing to make major concessions. I can understand this given the longstanding strife between the two peoples. I agree that the 1967 borders would be incredibly difficult to defend if the Palestinians were ever to procure strong military capabilities. As it stands though, Israel has one of the best equipped and technologically advanced military’s in the world and it is absurd for them to consider themselves completely defenseless.

    That being said, Palestinians have made it basically impossible for Israel to extend the olive branch by choosing to supporting Hamas. I don’t think the US would tolerate a government run by Al-Queda to move in next door, so I don’t see how they (the President) expects Israel to be accommodating to Hamas.

    Cyn, your contempt for Canada is ridiculous as we have always been a strong ally to our brothers down south. The fact that many of us are more ‘liberal’ is something we are proud of. Shame on you for insulting your brothers to the North, it is undeserved and you are foolish to do so. I will quickly point out that your insult towards the Canadian education machine is not well founded considering the University of Toronto is rated in the top ten Universities in the World and the University of British Columbia was thirteenth. These are world class institutions, no we don’t learn in igloos.

    Nick, your on the right track mate. Your going to have professors like Guy and Nicedeb. Listen closely to both of them and make your own mind up. If you’re like me you’ll end up in the middle of the political spectrum, which is not a bad thing at all. :)

  100. nicedeb Says:

    as far as his comment about everyone deserving “to live their lives based on the fundamental human rights and concept of human security as defined by the UN” I don’t see how anyone could argue with that.

    I would argue with the “as defined by the UN part”.

    But obviously everyone here believes in fundamental human rights, the problem is with the radical Islamists who don’t.

    I don’t think he was prepared to be berated by twenty different people and acted quite poorly and distastefully with the insults.

    Um, he wasn’t berated by 20 different people until way after his vile comments to me, his host, were posted. So you’re making excuses for him – He deserved every bit of the ass-beating he got.

    As for the “peace process”, you say, the problem is that “neither side is willing to make major concessions”.

    Israel has made concessions over and over again, only to be attacked anew by people who’s main problem is the fact that they exist.

    What do the Palestinians have that Israel wants? Nothing. What concessions have they made? Nothing but some cease-fires that weren’t worth the piece of paper they were written on.

    Also, I agree with him that it never justifiable to kill children, no matter what indoctrination they may have received.

    Israel doesn’t target children. It targets jihadi cowards who hide among children. Place the blame where it belongs.

  101. Herr Morgenholz Says:

    If peace is possible, we should strive for it anywhere and everywhere

    *lobs Katyusha rocket at Demosthenes, who’s been dead even longer than Guy Fawkes*

    I praise Nick for his centralist stance which is much more akin to my own.

    *praises self for his stance, which is just like my own, but wider*

    Cyn, your contempt for Canada is ridiculous

    For years, you polar bear humping bastards wouldn’t export Molson Canadian. That “Gold” crap, sure, but not the real “Canadian”. You deserve everything you get.

    Well, OK, I just posted this to get the comment count to 100. Carry on.

  102. Demosthenes Says:

    NiceDeb, I think you have a case of selective reading because immediately after Guy’s posting several people attacked him (some quite distastefully). I think his comments addressed to you were likely due to the entirety of the people commenting back at him. This is his fault because this is clearly a VERY right-wing blog, and he should have realized how unkindly his opinion was going to be received (I’m referring to his initial post). I feel at this point I can identify slightly with Guy, as there is no arguing with you or your readers. There is a lot of hate here and I won’t argue with or contribute to it. I truly wish you all happiness and think you (like most of us) could use a lot more love in your life. Good day.

    “I am concerned about a better world. I’m concerned about justice. I’m concerned about brotherhood. I’m concerned about truth. And when one is concerned about these, he can never advocate violence. For through violence you may murder a murderer but you can’t murder murder. Through violence you may murder a liar but you can’t establish truth. Through violence you may murder a hater, but you can’t murder hate. Darkness cannot put out darkness. Only light can do that.” -MLK Jr.

  103. Demosthenes Says:

    Oh and Herr, you yanks cant handle our beer.

  104. nicedeb Says:

    I think you have a case of selective reading because immediately after Guy’s posting several people attacked him (some quite distastefully).

    Um, no.

    Fawkes’ very first comment began: “You are all sheep, this is disgusting “, and he then went on to insinuate that we’re all too stupid to understand the nuances of the situation.

    So he started right off the bat, a provocative troll.

    I responded, “Sorry, Bucko, we know the real history of the region and understand Israel’s position.”

    Tex Taylor responded with a tongue in cheek, “Is your middle name Yasser? Why don’t you take your complaint to the Jordanians, Egyptians and Syrians, where you will find the lying,
    sympathetic ear you seek?

    Understand something Guy. Jerusalem was Israel, is Israel, and will always be Israel. It can not be divided, and that is not negotiable.”

    ZZMike just respectfully disagreed:

    Look at a map of the Middle East,from Iran all the way out to Gibraltar, at least 8.5×11.

    Notice how much of that land is Muslim/Arab.

    Now look at the tiny little strip labeled “Israel”.etc

    Nobody “attacked” him.

    He responded by calling me a fool, hurling an F-bomb at Tex Taylor, and condescendingly suggesting that ZZMike read something for a change.

    It went downhill from there.

    If you’re “concerned about truth” you should start by telling it.

    His mistake wasn’t that he visited a right-wing blog, his mistake was that he visited a right-wing blog and behaved like a particularly nasty and vile left-wing troll.

  105. Demosthenes Says:

    Fair enough, I will point out that ‘fool’ isn’t a particularly hurtful or nasty thing to call someone, his “F-bomb” was not directed at Tex Taylor him/herself but used in the context of emphasis (though not a tasteful thing to say anyways), and ZZMike should have read that before expressing his disgust, because it was not written by Al-Jazeera as he implied. Haha it must be the ‘bleeding-heart liberal’ in me to attempt to defend him but after those responses of his, you and others certainly did attack him. You yourself used the word “tool” which is not too far removed from “fool”. But now we are talking semantics and that generally goes nowhere!

    I don’t mean to instigate anything here I am just saying my piece. I respect Guy’s opinion as I do yours Deb.

    Speaking of that opinion, and again I don’t mean this in any other form than an actual question, what do you think should happen in the region? If you had a magic pen and whatever you wrote became reality, how would you shape the situation?

    Cheers.

  106. nicedeb Says:

    I used tool after he used fool. You see, I can respect someone’s opinion when it’s put forth in a calm and respectful manner. Fawkes entered the fray here in a contentious manner, got some blowback, and then went on an despicable rampage.

    By the way, this is a PG-13 blog, I generally don’t abide F-bombs.

    That you would come out to defend a guy who called a mother of six an “inbred” who should be “sterilized” says a lot about you and your motives and “bleeding heart” isn’t what comes to mind.

    I’m not a policy wonk, so I don’t have any answers to solve the problems in the Middle East. To me, the “peace process” is just a charade.. I know what the root of the problem is, Islamofascism – but I have no idea how to cure it.

    As I already indicated, I don’t think there’s going to be a good outcome. Someone’s going down, either Israel, or the Palestinians, and it’s not looking good right now for Israel.

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