The lowlights of her lie ridden pile of stink are below:
Bachmann Wrongly Blamed President Bush’s Final Year Of Deficits On President Obama
Unemployment Didn’t “Spike” — It Grew Steadily Under Bush-Era Policies…
The Exploding Debt And Deficit Are The Result Of Bush-Era Policies And The Recession
Bachmann Repeated “16,500” IRS Agents’ Lie
Geo,you were right.It only took 1hr9mins for the demops to blame Bush.After all,it only took Obama 2 yrs to increase the debt 40%buying GM Chrysler,student loans,healthcare,bailing out states,closing car dealerships,shutting down domestic oil and gas drilling,closing coal mines and federal lands to exploration,turning GE into a bank to get 140bil$ to promote phony green jobs,and subsidizing a money losing cable news outfit
shovel ready jobs that didn’t exist,trying to shut down Texas refineries by EPAmandate,signing bills containing thousands of ear marks after pledging no earmarks bailing out and taking election money from companies and unions, sending billions to Petrobras[Soros],financing oil exploration in Brazil,broken campaign pledge to be out of Iraq in 17 mos[2008] phony,unverifiable “jobs created” numbers,bailouts of Freddie and Fannie…..shall I go on.Allof tis because of Michelle Bachmann and George Bush.jimbo,u r the anti-American phony and liar, in a civil way,that is.
I understand where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is that Jimbo has backed himself up. Now, Deb says that Media Matters lies. Thats fine. That’s your belief…but can you dismiss any of the claims they or Jimbo have put forth. I just feel like dismissing it because they lie and not giving reason is a cop out. Still I think Bachman needs to fact check much of her stuff…to say John Quincy Adams is the reason slavery ended just seems out and out wrong….
In 2008, Bush ran a deficit of $485 billion. By the time the fiscal year started on October 1, 2008, it had gone up by another $100 billion due to increased recession-related spending and depressed revenues. So it was about $600 billion at the start of the fiscal crisis. That was the real Bush deficit.
But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass TARP in the final months of his presidency which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit — officially — up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid.
So what was the real deficit Obama inherited? The $600 billion deficit Bush was running plus the $200 billion of TARP money that probably won’t be repaid (mainly AIG and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). That totals $800 billion. That was the real deficit Obama inherited.
Then…he added $300 billion in his stimulus package, bringing the deficit to $1.1 trillion. This $300 billion was, of course, totally qualitatively different from the TARP money in that it was spending not lending. It would never be paid back. Once it was out the door, it was gone. Other spending and falling revenues due to the recession pushed the final numbers for Obama’s 2009 deficit up to $1.4 trillion.
As for “debunking” Bachmann’s hyperbolic wording, like “spike”, please. Jobless numbers have gone up even after passing a massive stimulus (we said wouldn’t work) that he sold by promising that it would bring down unemployment.
John Quincy Adams is the reason slavery ended just seems out and out wrong….
My apologies, she said that during a speech in Iowa last week, not the reply. We are a bit late in getting the news from home (the replies and such) here in Bath.
She said, “I think it’s high time that we recognize the contributions of our forebears who worked tirelessly – men like John Quincy Adams who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in this country.”
She is 100% correct that John Quincy Adams was an early enemy of slavery:
Before 1820, Adams was best known as an exponent of American nationalism. Late in life, especially after his election to the House, he was noted especially as most prominent national leader opposing slavery. The turning point came with the debate on the Missouri Compromise in 1820 when he broke with his friend John C. Calhoun, who became the most outspoken national leader in favor of slavery. They became bitter enemies. Adams vilified slavery as a terrible evil and preached total abolition, while Calhoun countered that the right to own slaves had to be protected from interference from the federal government to keep the nation alive. Adams said slavery contradicted the principles of republicanism, while Calhoun said that slavery was essential to American democracy, for it made all white men equal. Both men pulled away from nationalism, and started to consider dissolution of the Union as a way of resolving the slavery imbroglio. Adams predicted that if the South formed a new nation, it would be torn apart by an extremely violent slave insurrection. If the two nations went to war, Adams predicted the president of the United States would use his war powers to abolish slavery. The two men became ideological leaders of the North and the South.[33] In the House Adams became a champion of free speech, demanding that petitions against slavery be heard despite a “gag rule” that said they could not be heard.[34]
In 1841, Adams had the case of a lifetime, representing the defendants in United States v. The Amistad Africans in the Supreme Court of the United States. He successfully argued that the Africans, who had seized control of a Spanish ship on which they were being transported illegally as slaves, should not be extradited or deported to Cuba (a Spanish colony where slavery was legal) but should be considered free. Under President Martin Van Buren, the government argued the Africans should be deported for having mutinied and killed officers on the ship. Adams won their freedom, with the chance to stay in the United States or return to Africa. Adams made the argument because the U.S. had prohibited the international slave trade, although it allowed internal slavery. He never billed for his services in the Amistad case.[35] The speech was directed not only at the justices of this Supreme Court hearing the case, but also to the broad national audience he instructed in the evils of slavery.[36]
Adams repeatedly spoke out against the “Slave Power”, that is the organized political power of the slave owners who dominated all the southern states and their representation in Congress.[37]. He vehemently attacked the annexation of Texas (1845) and the Mexican War (1846-48) as part of a “conspiracy” to extend slavery
Bachmann: But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. And I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers, who worked tirelessly, men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.
I understand roughly what she is trying to say, that is that some founding fathers were very much against slavery…but J.Q. Adams was resting pretty peacefully (more than 15 years) by the signing of the emancipation proclamation. Factor in that most of the founding fathers were slave owners and the statement just seems a bit wonky.
# Twelve owned or managed slave-operated plantations or large farms: Bassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jenifer, Jefferson, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves, as did Franklin, who later freed his slaves and was a key founder of the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Alexander Hamilton was opposed to slavery and, with John Jay and other anti-slavery advocates, helped to found the first African free school in New York City. Jay helped to found the New York Manumission Society and, when he was governor of New York in 1798, signed into law the state statute ending slavery as of 1821.
# Broom and Few were small farmers.
Btw, I do think she may have put too rosy a spin on the founders and slavery – but not so much as to justify the left wing hysteria that ensued over it.
But I think she was trying to counter the narrative that the founders were evil racists.
Factor in that most of the founding fathers were slave owners and the statement just seems a bit wonky.
Slavery was a huge issue even during the writing of the Constitution. The signing of the Constitution by the pro-slavery faction was brought about by a provision that slaves could be imported until 1808 (Article I, Section 9). In 1808, slave trading was outlawed.
The founding fathers were very definitely divided on the issue, and it was a subject of much debate and rancor 80 years before the Emancipation Proclamation.
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A voice of truth in the universe of lies. I have great respect for this admirable Conservative lady.
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Michelle did a great job!
Of course you know what that means …….. next target for the dopey libs…….move over Sarah fresh targets [along with Paul Ryan] available.
Oh and let’s not forget the internal repubic elitist and rino’s. Who always seem to forget Reagan’s 11th Commandment.
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She’s a liar and a phony–if you haven’t bothered to check any of her lies, you can do so below. Please don’t support this phony anti-American lunatic.
Another of a long list of lies–all debunked right here:
http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201101250021
The lowlights of her lie ridden pile of stink are below:
Bachmann Wrongly Blamed President Bush’s Final Year Of Deficits On President Obama
Unemployment Didn’t “Spike” — It Grew Steadily Under Bush-Era Policies…
The Exploding Debt And Deficit Are The Result Of Bush-Era Policies And The Recession
Bachmann Repeated “16,500” IRS Agents’ Lie
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So you link to the fundamentally dishonest lowlifes at Media Matters to debunk Bachmann – nice!
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Geo,you were right.It only took 1hr9mins for the demops to blame Bush.After all,it only took Obama 2 yrs to increase the debt 40%buying GM Chrysler,student loans,healthcare,bailing out states,closing car dealerships,shutting down domestic oil and gas drilling,closing coal mines and federal lands to exploration,turning GE into a bank to get 140bil$ to promote phony green jobs,and subsidizing a money losing cable news outfit
shovel ready jobs that didn’t exist,trying to shut down Texas refineries by EPAmandate,signing bills containing thousands of ear marks after pledging no earmarks bailing out and taking election money from companies and unions, sending billions to Petrobras[Soros],financing oil exploration in Brazil,broken campaign pledge to be out of Iraq in 17 mos[2008] phony,unverifiable “jobs created” numbers,bailouts of Freddie and Fannie…..shall I go on.Allof tis because of Michelle Bachmann and George Bush.jimbo,u r the anti-American phony and liar, in a civil way,that is.
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I understand where you are coming from but the fact of the matter is that Jimbo has backed himself up. Now, Deb says that Media Matters lies. Thats fine. That’s your belief…but can you dismiss any of the claims they or Jimbo have put forth. I just feel like dismissing it because they lie and not giving reason is a cop out. Still I think Bachman needs to fact check much of her stuff…to say John Quincy Adams is the reason slavery ended just seems out and out wrong….
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Nick, I really don’t think a troll like jimbo is worth my time. I’m not here to disprove jimbo’s Media Matters propaganda.
But since you asked:
In 2008, Bush ran a deficit of $485 billion. By the time the fiscal year started on October 1, 2008, it had gone up by another $100 billion due to increased recession-related spending and depressed revenues. So it was about $600 billion at the start of the fiscal crisis. That was the real Bush deficit.
But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass TARP in the final months of his presidency which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit — officially — up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid.
So what was the real deficit Obama inherited? The $600 billion deficit Bush was running plus the $200 billion of TARP money that probably won’t be repaid (mainly AIG and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). That totals $800 billion. That was the real deficit Obama inherited.
Then…he added $300 billion in his stimulus package, bringing the deficit to $1.1 trillion. This $300 billion was, of course, totally qualitatively different from the TARP money in that it was spending not lending. It would never be paid back. Once it was out the door, it was gone. Other spending and falling revenues due to the recession pushed the final numbers for Obama’s 2009 deficit up to $1.4 trillion.
As for “debunking” Bachmann’s hyperbolic wording, like “spike”, please. Jobless numbers have gone up even after passing a massive stimulus (we said wouldn’t work) that he sold by promising that it would bring down unemployment.
John Quincy Adams is the reason slavery ended just seems out and out wrong….
When did she say that?
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My apologies, she said that during a speech in Iowa last week, not the reply. We are a bit late in getting the news from home (the replies and such) here in Bath.
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I know about the Iowa speech, and I know that she didn’t say John Quincy Adams is the reason slavery ended in that speech.. That’s why I asked.
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She said, “I think it’s high time that we recognize the contributions of our forebears who worked tirelessly – men like John Quincy Adams who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in this country.”
She is 100% correct that John Quincy Adams was an early enemy of slavery:
Before 1820, Adams was best known as an exponent of American nationalism. Late in life, especially after his election to the House, he was noted especially as most prominent national leader opposing slavery. The turning point came with the debate on the Missouri Compromise in 1820 when he broke with his friend John C. Calhoun, who became the most outspoken national leader in favor of slavery. They became bitter enemies. Adams vilified slavery as a terrible evil and preached total abolition, while Calhoun countered that the right to own slaves had to be protected from interference from the federal government to keep the nation alive. Adams said slavery contradicted the principles of republicanism, while Calhoun said that slavery was essential to American democracy, for it made all white men equal. Both men pulled away from nationalism, and started to consider dissolution of the Union as a way of resolving the slavery imbroglio. Adams predicted that if the South formed a new nation, it would be torn apart by an extremely violent slave insurrection. If the two nations went to war, Adams predicted the president of the United States would use his war powers to abolish slavery. The two men became ideological leaders of the North and the South.[33] In the House Adams became a champion of free speech, demanding that petitions against slavery be heard despite a “gag rule” that said they could not be heard.[34]
In 1841, Adams had the case of a lifetime, representing the defendants in United States v. The Amistad Africans in the Supreme Court of the United States. He successfully argued that the Africans, who had seized control of a Spanish ship on which they were being transported illegally as slaves, should not be extradited or deported to Cuba (a Spanish colony where slavery was legal) but should be considered free. Under President Martin Van Buren, the government argued the Africans should be deported for having mutinied and killed officers on the ship. Adams won their freedom, with the chance to stay in the United States or return to Africa. Adams made the argument because the U.S. had prohibited the international slave trade, although it allowed internal slavery. He never billed for his services in the Amistad case.[35] The speech was directed not only at the justices of this Supreme Court hearing the case, but also to the broad national audience he instructed in the evils of slavery.[36]
Adams repeatedly spoke out against the “Slave Power”, that is the organized political power of the slave owners who dominated all the southern states and their representation in Congress.[37]. He vehemently attacked the annexation of Texas (1845) and the Mexican War (1846-48) as part of a “conspiracy” to extend slavery
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Bachmann: But we also know that the very founders that wrote those documents worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States. And I think it is high time that we recognize the contribution of our forbearers, who worked tirelessly, men like John Quincy Adams, who would not rest until slavery was extinguished in the country.
I understand roughly what she is trying to say, that is that some founding fathers were very much against slavery…but J.Q. Adams was resting pretty peacefully (more than 15 years) by the signing of the emancipation proclamation. Factor in that most of the founding fathers were slave owners and the statement just seems a bit wonky.
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J.Q. Adams was resting pretty peacefully (more than 15 years) by the signing of the emancipation proclamation.
I don’t think she was trying to suggest that he was there for the signing, just that he worked tirelessly against slavery.
And where do you get that most of the founders were slave owners?
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# Twelve owned or managed slave-operated plantations or large farms: Bassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jenifer, Jefferson, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves, as did Franklin, who later freed his slaves and was a key founder of the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Alexander Hamilton was opposed to slavery and, with John Jay and other anti-slavery advocates, helped to found the first African free school in New York City. Jay helped to found the New York Manumission Society and, when he was governor of New York in 1798, signed into law the state statute ending slavery as of 1821.
# Broom and Few were small farmers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States
There were 55 delegates attended the Constitutional Convention sessions. 39 signed the Constitution.
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Btw, I do think she may have put too rosy a spin on the founders and slavery – but not so much as to justify the left wing hysteria that ensued over it.
But I think she was trying to counter the narrative that the founders were evil racists.
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JQA was this nation’s William Wilberforce. And I count his efforts among the vast volume of history not taught in our institutions of indoctrination.
“Mr. Adams’ Last Crusade” was a great read on the subject.
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Factor in that most of the founding fathers were slave owners and the statement just seems a bit wonky.
Slavery was a huge issue even during the writing of the Constitution. The signing of the Constitution by the pro-slavery faction was brought about by a provision that slaves could be imported until 1808 (Article I, Section 9). In 1808, slave trading was outlawed.
The founding fathers were very definitely divided on the issue, and it was a subject of much debate and rancor 80 years before the Emancipation Proclamation.
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Do you people have any real thoughts of your own?
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Yes, but being conservatives, our thoughts are based on facts, not emotions.
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