Pakistan: Jihadi vs. Jhadi

spy_vs_spy_turbans.jpgSince The Red Mosque was raided there have been more than 150 deaths from retaliatory attacks by Islamic militants throughout Pakistan. The busy, and prolific man behind the attacks? The star who has been appearing in the recent flurry of videotapes from Al Qaida, urging Pakistani Muslims to revolt or else “Musharraf will annihilate you.”Ayman Al-Zawahiri, the Al Qaeda No. 2.

From Newsweek: After years in which Zawahiri seemed constantly on the run, his alleged orchestration of last week’s attacks would be further evidence that Qaeda and Taliban forces are newly empowered and have consolidated control of a safe haven along the Pakistani border.

According to the National Intelligence Estimate out of Washington, Al Qaeda is resurgent in Pakistan—and more centrally organized than it has been at any time since 9/11.

The NIE—a periodic intel assessment that is considered the most authoritative issued by the U.S. government—concluded Al Qaeda has “regenerated key elements” of its ability to attack the United States. These include a sanctuary in Pakistan’s tribal regions of North Waziristan and Bajaur, and an intact hierarchy of top leadership and operational lieutenants.

But Al- Zawahiri’s jihad against Pakistan has provoked a “potentially serious ideological split within Al Qaeda over whether he is growing too powerful, and has become obsessed with toppling Musharraf”. An anti-Zawahiri faction within Al Qaida believes that the man’s ultra violent tendencies might be drawing too much attention to these new safe havens.

…they fear that Zawahiri is inviting the Pakistani leader’s wrath, prematurely opening up another battlefront before the jihadists have properly consolidated their position.

A senior U.S. official involved in counterterrorism policy, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was addressing sensitive matters, agrees that there are tensions between Al Qaeda’s Egyptian and Libyan factions, as well as between Saudi and Central Asian elements.

U.S. counterterrorism operatives have been reluctant to cross into Waziristan for fear of violating Pakistani sovereignty and upsetting Musharraf.

But Hank Crumpton, a longtime CIA senior official and former counterterrorism coordinator for the State Department, says U.S. reluctance must be overcome, because Musharraf can’t deal with the problem alone. The Pakistani leader sent more than 100,000 troops to the tribal areas last year, but “they lacked the requisite counterinsurgency skills,”

U.S. and Pakistani officials hope that Zawahiri overreaches in his zeal to kill Musharraf, and they get an intel break on his whereabouts. Crumpton says the United States needs to lead an effort with anti-Taliban local tribes, some of whom have been targeted by Al Qaeda. “If we are attacked here [in the United States], which we will be, it almost certainly will have originated from that territory. What will we do then?”

The Bush administration threatened to launch attacks into Pakistani territory if General Musharraf doesn’t rein the militants in.

Tony Snow said on Wednesday, ...”it is clearly of the utmost importance to go in there and deal with the problem in the tribal areas”.

Let’s hope that that Bush stays true to his word, and before “the jihadists consolidate their position”.

Oops, I almost forgot…Hat tip: Anonymous.

Biggg Hat tip to Wiserbud for his fantabulous photoshop skilz.

UPDATE: 

Pakistan says, “No, you may not attack us”. Muslihoon’s got the goods.

25 thoughts on “Pakistan: Jihadi vs. Jhadi

  1. Some Pakistani terrorist organizations have avoided attacking targets in Pakistan precisely for the reason that if they did, the Pakistani military government would be forced to take action against them rather than turning a blind eye to their terroristic activities. That a civil war between terrorists and the military government may break out (if it hasn’t broken out) will undoubtedly raise concerns in the Pakistani terrorist community. Pakistan is a vital element in the worldwide network of terrorist organizations, and this network will weaken significantly if terrorists can no longer use Pakistan as they have for a long time.

    Musharraf does take our threats seriously. He wants to avoid any violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty, but he knows that his hands are tied either way. (Once, American planes attacked a militant madrassah in Pakistan where high-level terrorists were meeting. Right after we leveled the area, Pakistani planes swept through and dropped a few bombs and fired a few shots. Then the Pakistani military government said that Pakistani planes destroyed the madrassah to take out the militants. A blatant lie, but a necessary one nonetheless.)

    I do hope this will be the undoing of many terrorist outfits, and especially of az-Zawahiri. May he meet his eternal fate swiftly.

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  2. I think if you write any post with the word “Pakistan” or “jihad” or somesuch, I’ll end up ranting on it.

    But I love your posts. Awesome stuff.

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  3. Mushiloon-

    What do you think the odds are that at some point Musharraf will invite us to help? Going into Pakistan univiited might exacerbate tensions in the Islamic world, but if things get dicey enough, do you see a way Musharraf could ask for our assistance dealing with the jihadists?

    Intersesting statements from the White House this weekend regarding the US not ruling out military action in Pakistan but I think we have to be asked.

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  4. I think there’s a 95% likelihood we will conduct operations in Pakistan. In fact, I firmly believe that something may already have been worked out between our armed services and Pakistan’s military government. But what happens and when and how and under what pretences: these we have yet to see.

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  5. By the way: an excellent strategy would be to foment discord, strife, disagreement, and division among terrorist groups and people, and then let them extinguish each other in internal battles.

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  6. {blush}

    Would either of you be willing to tell my wife these wonderful things about me? Seems she has forgotten lately.

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  7. ASSALAM-O-ALAIKUM…! EVERYBODY…

    I agree with u Ahsan. Nobody has right to enter into a country and carry out operations by entering other country without it’s permission. Pakistan has co-operated as much as it could in the War against terrorism as it wants Peace and reduce terrorism but that doesn’t mean that if a country has supported America and even provided it’s bases , America gets the right to enter into it’s territory without permission. NO way!. It’s clearly unethical. America says it is at war against terrorism so it must avoid terrorism itself. It’s military should be atleast that much well trained that they know that entering other’s territory without permission is an international crime, specially when you urself r at war against terrorism. And those who talk about American attack on Pakistan; they might think that we r sleeping but this incident shows clearly that we aren’t and we WON’T!. Our Army spokesmen tell that they have even noticed the slight unpermissioned enterings of American planes. And those who talk about American attack on Pakistan; they might think that we r sleeping but this incident shows clearly that we aren’t and we WON’T!. I am a boy aged 18 of Pakistan and i m doing BBA but i m ready to fight against the one who looks at my Pakistan with bad intentions and I’ll fight till the destruction of our Pakistan’s enemy or till my last breath. I have many friends. And i know the youth of my country. There are many who are ready to even sacrifice their lives for our country. Many of us want to join the Pak Army. After every 6 months, PAk Army helds recruitments and every time , only 0.02%-0.08% of the applied candidates get selected. And that little %age of selection makes Pak Army greater than American army. Yes. 3 years ago, the manpower of American Army was 500,000 approx. and that of Pak Army was 5,20,000approx. So don’t they worry. our country size small, the hitting is BIG. And i don’t think we , the “ready 2 die 4 Nation” public will need 2 fight. Our armed forces heroes will do it. Those who say Pakistani forces have failed 2 clear the tribal areas efficiently, what did the American army do? what was IT”S efficiency?? the deaths of innocents are much more lesser in the Pak Army operations than those by the American army in Iraq Afghanistan. Pak army has got medals and awards not only in bravery and valour at war but also in peace keeping activities throughout the world. i can’t recall the name of country in which it was only the Pak Army who successfully maintained peace despite the several attempts by Un American and Uk forces also and other armies world wide. The contribution of Pakistan and Pak Army in UNO is quite considerable. Pak army avoids innocent deaths and that’s why it makes things delicate,if you think as human beings.Place yourself in the place of those people where there are terrorists in their area/city and operations are being carried out and you don’t even have that much money/resources to get shifted n some other place and you are at mercy of the army and terrorists.American forces have caused enough destruction and innocent deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. And everybody knows the “efficiency” of American forces. American government personnel themselves have agreed that it was mistake and even there were NO SUCH THINGS FOUND WHICH WERE THE REASON OF ASSAULT BEFORE THE ATTACKS IN IRAQ. I don’t think the American public pays taxes and votes for things like that. Public, as a whole can never be that much unethical. Neither is the mistake of the forces. Forces do whatever order is given to them. The mistakes are of the high level government personnel whose inhumane behaviour shows that they don’t care for humanity , human lives , not even of their own soldiers. May God help us.

    Long live Humanity
    Long Live Pak Arme Forces
    Long Live Pakistan
    Long Live Peace in our World, on our dear Earth.

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  8. Nobody has right to enter into a country and carry out operations by entering other country without it’s permission. Pakistan has co-operated as much as it could in the War against terrorism as it wants Peace and reduce terrorism but that doesn’t mean that if a country has supported America and even provided it’s bases , America gets the right to enter into it’s territory without permission. NO way!. It’s clearly unethical. America says it is at war against terrorism so it must avoid terrorism itself. It’s military should be atleast that much well trained that they know that entering other’s territory without permission is an international crime, specially when you urself r at war against terrorism. And those who talk about American attack on Pakistan; they might think that we r sleeping but this incident shows clearly that we aren’t and we WON’T!. Our Army spokesmen tell that they have even noticed the slight unpermissioned enterings of American planes. And those who talk about American attack on Pakistan; they might think that we r sleeping but this incident shows clearly that we aren’t and we WON’T!. I am a boy aged 18 of Pakistan and i m doing BBA but i m ready to fight against the one who looks at my Pakistan with bad intentions and I’ll fight till the destruction of our Pakistan’s enemy or till my last breath. I have many friends. And i know the youth of my country. There are many who are ready to even sacrifice their lives for our country. Many of us want to join the Pak Army. After every 6 months, PAk Army helds recruitments and every time , only 0.02%-0.08% of the applied candidates get selected. And that little %age of selection makes Pak Army greater than American army. Yes. 3 years ago, the manpower of American Army was 500,000 approx. and that of Pak Army was 5,20,000approx. So don’t they worry. our country size small, the hitting is BIG. And i don’t think we , the “ready 2 die 4 Nation” public will need 2 fight. Our armed forces heroes will do it. Those who say Pakistani forces have failed 2 clear the tribal areas efficiently, what did the American army do? what was IT”S efficiency?? the deaths of innocents are much more lesser in the Pak Army operations than those by the American army in Iraq Afghanistan. Pak army has got medals and awards not only in bravery and valour at war but also in peace keeping activities throughout the world. i can’t recall the name of country in which it was only the Pak Army who successfully maintained peace despite the several attempts by Un American and Uk forces also and other armies world wide. The contribution of Pakistan and Pak Army in UNO is quite considerable. Pak army avoids innocent deaths and that’s why it makes things delicate,if you think as human beings.Place yourself in the place of those people where there are terrorists in their area/city and operations are being carried out and you don’t even have that much money/resources to get shifted n some other place and you are at mercy of the army and terrorists.American forces have caused enough destruction and innocent deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. And everybody knows the “efficiency” of American forces. American government personnel themselves have agreed that it was mistake and even there were NO SUCH THINGS FOUND WHICH WERE THE REASON OF ASSAULT BEFORE THE ATTACKS IN IRAQ. I don’t think the American public pays taxes and votes for things like that. Public, as a whole can never be that much unethical. Neither is the mistake of the forces. Forces do whatever order is given to them. The mistakes are of the high level government personnel whose inhumane behaviour shows that they don’t care for humanity , human lives , not even of their own soldiers. May God help us.

    Long live Humanity
    Long Live Pak Arme Forces
    Long Live Pakistan
    Long Live Peace in our World, on our dear Earth.

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  9. Ummm….

    Dude, ever hear of a paragraph break?

    Go back to blowing yourself up in a girl’s school. That’s one thing you do well.

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  10. Fahad,

    That’s okay, buddy.

    Look, no offense, but you’ve got quite a few things wrong in your long screed.

    #1 As you may have noticed, we try to avoid entering your country without permission. However, whether or not we have a ‘right’ to do so has nothing to do with it. We have an agreement with your government not to. And we like to honor our agreements. But your country’s tribal regions are a hotbed of terrorist activity, and that IS our business, because the U.S. remains a major target of al Qaeda who want to hit us, and hit us big.

    #2 As much as you would like to have us believe that the Pak army is superior to the U.S. armed forces, I’m afraid I must demur. Reread what I wrote above:

    “According to the National Intelligence Estimate out of Washington, Al Qaeda is resurgent in Pakistan—and more centrally organized than it has been at any time since 9/11”.

    Also, from the article: “The Pakistani leader sent more than 100,000 troops to the tribal areas last year, but “they lacked the requisite counterinsurgency skills,”

    Somebody needs to be kicking their butts, but it’s apparently not your guys. Incidentally, while you have slightly more army personnel, we have a total of 1.4 million Military personnel to your 619,000. Not that sheer numbers are the only thing that matters. China has the largest army in the world with over 1,600,000 soldiers, but it is poorly trained and equipped, if you know what I’m saying.

    #3 Don’t be hatin’ on the United States of America for defending herself. We go out of our way not to target civilians. We ARE the most efficient fighting force on the planet, and if you’re too stupid to figure that out, you can kiss my ass.

    I’m sorry, but we have taken heavier casualties because of this fact, so it enrages me to hear the propagandistic lies. It’s not our fault that the Islamofascist savages we fight, attack us from heavily populated areas. Why do you think they do this, Einstein? Not to mention the fact that the terrorists do target civilians, the more, the better. There are civilian casualties because the animals we’re fighting, want there to be. But there are much fewer than there could be.

    Keep in mind that there’s a propaganda war going on, as well.

    You seem to be getting some very bad information, son.

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  11. Before tackling all of Fahd’s rambling post, I’d like to say a few words about national sovereignty. That is: it is a pious fiction. Although all states say they believe in national sovereignty and that they desire to respect it (and have other states respect theirs), the reality is that sovereignty is “respected” insofar as the state does not post a threat to another state. The primary duty of any state is the security of its people, and as such it is ridiculous for any state or entity to expect The United States to stand by while an active and viable threat is permitted to fester within The United States’ guns’ scopes. When it comes to national defense and security, the sovereignty of every becomes negotiable. Which is the point: it becomes a useful point of leverage to get other states to cooperate. (Why, then, did Libya unilaterally suspend its anti-American programs when it did? It realized, with the violation of Iraq’s sovereignty, that there is nothing to stop The United States from similarly violating Libya’s sovereignty. In order to take away The United States’ motives to do so, Libya shut down its anti-American programs.)

    Of course, Pakistan should not be one to talk, taking into consideration how often its military has violated and violates India’s sovereignty and how Pakistani elements (namely, the Taliban) violates Afghanistan’s sovereignty.

    But more, hopefully, to come.

    But just a comment to Pakistani/Muslim commenters:
    Please do not post a comment unless you have an understanding of and are able to use rudimentary elements of English grammar and composition. Otherwise, it simply makes you (and, by extension through association, your argument’s side) look stupid. Not to mention how painful it is to read your never-ending paragraphs with nothing but run-on sentences, without punctuation to boot.

    Even WP composes comments with better grammar and composition.

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  12. I’m sorry, but we have taken heavier casualties because of this fact, so it enrages me to hear the propagandistic lies.

    On the one hand, I certainly agree. I am very frustrated how we bend over backwards to prevent too much collateral casualties. We need to be a bit more ruthless.

    But, on the other hand, this is what makes us honorable people. We actually have principles by which we abide, even if our enemies are barbaric savages.

    It also masks an important fact: although it may seem we care so much about the people among whom we operate, we’re doing it for our Republic. This helps our public reputation and prestige: people have ample reasons to like us for our corporal works of mercy and good, while our intentions are somewhat more selfish.

    I, for one, would not join The Military to help the world’s people: I would to help The Republic. The fact we help the world’s people to help The Republic says a lot about the calibre of our men and women in uniform, değil mi?

    But, still…maybe we can be a little more ruthless?

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  13. Oh, Muslihoon, I wouldn’t judge him too harshly on the grammar, as English is not his first language.

    It is distressing, the amount of anti-American B.S. that’s out there.

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  14. Another post of long text but all of it IS important so i couldn’t help it. All i can do is apologize. So i’m sorry for the long text and grammatical disorders( to nicedeb and muslihoon also)

    first of all i’d like to answer nicedeb’s post of August 19th, 2007 at 12:10 am.
    1# what do u mean we “try” to avoid? that’s why i mentioned ur army must be that much trained so as not to enter restricted areas.

    2# Lack of counterinsurgency skills?.that’s what YOUR counter terrorism co-ordinator said. And your “counter terrorism strategies have been called wrong worldwide. how can u say our troops lack counter insurgency skills when ur army is having such a tough time in Iraq and Afghanistan and daily your men are getting killed by these terrorists. and even when the death figures of your troops, months ago, had exceeded those in Veitnam war. Whatever success Pak Army has achieved here is with a very low rate of innocent deaths as compared to your forces. what do you think of Nawaab Akbar bugti’s defeat?. He was known as one of the few most dangerous terrorist leaders with a big army of his own. He has been killed in an operation of those tribal areas and didn’t “ran away and got found when the elections are near”(Saddam Hussein).
    And u say that those regions are a ‘hotbed’ of terrorist activity. What about Iraq? it was supposed to have “deadly” Nuclear weapons. Why does ur top level personnel(army/govt.) now confess that no Nuclear weapons have been found?

    And… u should know that the military personnel are compared with the area of their region. Look at the area of Pakistan and that of the USA. and then if u compare it you’ll find that u were differing wrong. Area of America is 12-13 times bigger the area of Pakistan. (The total military personnel figures u wrote include Navy . There isn’t that much sea area which is part of Pakistan and so, still our Navy is quite big as compared to the area it covers). and just look at the sea area included in united states so obviously ur total military personnel figures must be more than ours. And when the number of military personnel doesn’t matter, why did YOU wrote that comparison of your total military personnel with ours?

    If our army would have been lacking counterinsurgency skills, it wouldn’t have been able to successfully set peace in world’s most insurgent regions and i mentioned that in my previous post also but u wrote the same sentence again. So I got things for u. That country was Somalia and Pakistani troops had many casualties. And it’s not only Somalia but many other countries worldwide. Read the following:

    ” SOMALIA AS MILITARY TARGET
    By Stephen Zunes

    The U.S. intervention in Somalia is now widely considered to have been a fiasco. It is largely responsible for the subsequent U.S. hesitation around such so-called humanitarian intervention (outside of high-altitude bombing.)
    In November 1992, the outgoing Bush administration sent 30,000 U.S. troops–primarily Marines and Army Rangers–to Somalia, in what was described as a humanitarian mission to assist in the distribution of relief supplies that were being intercepted by armed militias without reaching the civilian populations in need. The United Nations Security Council endorsed the initiative the following month.
    (Author and journalist David Halberstrom quotes the U.S. Defense Secretary telling an associate, “We’re sending the Rangers to Somalia. We are not going to be able to control them. They are like overtrained pit bulls. No one controls them.”) Shootings at U.S. military roadblocks became increasingly commonplace, and Somalis witnessed scenes of mostly white American forces harassing and shooting black countrymen.
    The thousands of M-16 rifles sent, courtesy of the American taxpayer, to Barre’s armed forces were now in the hands of rival militiamen
    Even though the UN was technically in control, U.S. forces went on increasingly aggressive forays, including a major battle in Mogadishu that resulted in the deaths of 18 Marines and hundreds of Somali civilians, dramatized in the highly fictionalized thriller Black Hawk Down. The U.S.-led UN forces had become yet another faction in the multisided conflict. Largely retreating to fixed position, the primary American mission soon became protecting its own forces. With mounting criticism on Capitol Hill from both the left and the right, President Bill Clinton withdrew American troops in March 1994. The UN took its last peacekeeping forces out one year later.”
    for the whole complete text, the link is: http://www.fpif.org/progresp/volume6/v6n02.html
    I am sorry for the paragraphs getting big but it’s the requirement. And for grammatical rules also i am sorry but u should keep in mind ,and mr. nicedeb did, that my first language is URDU. So i am capable of speaking that much English but u r not even able of saying a few words or sentences of my language.

    *- Some more of important text:
    Somalia (March 1992 to February 1996)

    Contribution of Pakistan: 7200 troops.
    Casualties of Pakistan: 39.

    United Nations Operation in Somalia I (UNISOM I), during the Somali Civil War, Pakistan was the first country to respond to the call of the United Nations. On 14th September 1992 five hundred Pakistani troops arrived in Mogadishu to launch the United Nation humanitarian campaign. Deployment of the security force was preceded by the arrival of an advance party of 50 United Nation observers, drawn from different countries, led by a Pakistani Brigadier.
    Their selfless services provided the Somalians both relief and hope after a dark period of terror and hunger. The goodwill that their humane behaviors generated was reflected in the Pakistani-Somali Walal Walal (Pakistanis and Somalis are brothers) slogans that one heard from an appreciative people.
    The Pakistani troops were asked by the United Nation Force Headquarters to carry out an inspection of the weapon storage sites of Farah Aideed, to whom the date and time of inspection had been communicated in advance. Nobody at the United Nation Force Headquarters was able to foresee his reaction and his power to arouse the feelings of his followers against those who were carrying out the inspection. Even as their colleagues were engaged in distributing food at one of the feeding points, the Pakistani inspectors were ambushed by Aideeds followers. The ambushers were using children and women as human shields to prevent being fired back while the road-blocks they had set up made Pakistanis withdrawal difficult. Though taken by surprise and totally exposed, the courageous blue beret Pakistanis fought their way back taking full care that the children and women protecting the attackers remained unharmed.The Olympic Hotel Incident of 3rd October 1993 took place during one of these operations when 75 US Rangers got stranded and had to be rescued by a joint force of US and Pakistani troops. The grim battle lasted eight hours. The US Rangers suffered 17 dead and 77 injured while one was captured by Aideed forces. The wounded were admitted to the Pakistani hospital at Soccer Stadium. Had it not been for the courage, valour and steadfastness of the Pakistani soldiers, the rescue operation could not have succeeded and the trapped US soldiers might have perished.
    The Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary General, Admiral Jonathan Howe and UNOSOM Force Commander, Lieutenant General Cevik Bir expressed special appreciation for Pakistani troops’ determination and professionalism and thanked them for helping the US troops. Major General Thomas M. Montgomery, Deputy Commander of the United Nations Forces in Somalia in a television interview said, “Many of the soldiers are alive today because of the willingness and skill of the Pakistani soldiers who worked jointly in a rescue operation with Malaysian and American soldiers in most difficult and dangerous combat circumstances.” He thanked the people and Pakistan Army for sending, “such splendid soldiers to Somalia who we feel proud to serve with. Pakistani soldiers have been completely dependable even in the most difficult circumstances. They have shouldered a huge and dangerous load for UNOSOM and the Somali people.”
    In a rare acknowledgment of good job done the Chinese Premier Chou-En-Lai remarked, “The only example in United Nation’s history, when a United Nation military force had gone in, performed its role honestly and came out, was Pakistan’s military contingent to Indonesia.”

    Mr Enerique ter Horst, United Nations Secretary General’s Special Representative in Haiti while appreciating the services of Pakistani troops said, “since the arrival of Pakistan Battalion in Haiti the United Nations has realized that Pakistan Army is not only a formidable fighting force but peace keepers and peace builders in the best sense of the word. The way in which they have participated in the reconstruction and humanitarian assistance programmes beyond the call of duty to ensue stable environment, makes me confident that United Nations shall very soon attain the objectives of its mission in Haiti.I express my deep appreciation and gratitude to the people of Pakistan, the Pakistan Army and its valiant soldiers for their manifestations filled with utmost sincerity, friendship and solidarity.”
    Well friends! for the whole of this interesting text and incidents, visit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_peacekeeping_missions_involving_Pakistan
    (People know that wikipedia is NOT a Pakistani website.)

    And when it comes to kissing your ass, it’s a bad kicked one by Alqaaeda. And still there’s danger kissing ur ass bcoz your ass might explode if Osama’s face accidentally came to your mind. hahahaaha. Now note that you started vulgar talk, I didn’t.

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  15. Another post of long text but all of it IS important so i couldn’t help it. All i can do is apologize. So i’m sorry for the long text and grammatical disorders( to nicedeb and muslihoon also)

    first of all i’d like to answer nicedeb’s post of August 19th, 2007 at 12:10 am.
    1# what do u mean we “try” to avoid? that’s why i mentioned ur army must be that much trained so as not to enter restricted areas.

    2# Lack of counterinsurgency skills?.that’s what YOUR counter terrorism co-ordinator said. And your “counter terrorism strategies have been called wrong worldwide. how can u say our troops lack counter insurgency skills when ur army is having such a tough time in Iraq and Afghanistan and daily your men are getting killed by these terrorists. and even when the death figures of your troops, months ago, had exceeded those in Veitnam war. Whatever success Pak Army has achieved here is with a very low rate of innocent deaths as compared to your forces. what do you think of Nawaab Akbar bugti’s defeat?. He was known as one of the few most dangerous terrorist leaders with a big army of his own. He has been killed in an operation of those tribal areas and didn’t “ran away and got found when the elections are near”(Saddam Hussein).
    And u say that those regions are a ‘hotbed’ of terrorist activity. What about Iraq? it was supposed to have “deadly” Nuclear weapons. Why does ur top level personnel(army/govt.) now confess that no Nuclear weapons have been found?

    And… u should know that the military personnel are compared with the area of their region. Look at the area of Pakistan and that of the USA. and then if u compare it you’ll find that u were differing wrong. Area of America is 12-13 times bigger the area of Pakistan. (The total military personnel figures u wrote include Navy . There isn’t that much sea area which is part of Pakistan and so, still our Navy is quite big as compared to the area it covers). and just look at the sea area included in united states so obviously ur total military personnel figures must be more than ours. And when the number of military personnel doesn’t matter, why did YOU wrote that comparison of your total military personnel with ours?

    If our army would have been lacking counterinsurgency skills, it wouldn’t have been able to successfully set peace in world’s most insurgent regions and i mentioned that in my previous post also but u wrote the same sentence again. So I got things for u. That country was Somalia and Pakistani troops had many casualties. And it’s not only Somalia but many other countries worldwide. Read the following:

    ” SOMALIA AS MILITARY TARGET
    By Stephen Zunes

    The U.S. intervention in Somalia is now widely considered to have been a fiasco. It is largely responsible for the subsequent U.S. hesitation around such so-called humanitarian intervention (outside of high-altitude bombing.)
    In November 1992, the outgoing Bush administration sent 30,000 U.S. troops–primarily Marines and Army Rangers–to Somalia, in what was described as a humanitarian mission to assist in the distribution of relief supplies that were being intercepted by armed militias without reaching the civilian populations in need. The United Nations Security Council endorsed the initiative the following month.
    (Author and journalist David Halberstrom quotes the U.S. Defense Secretary telling an associate, “We’re sending the Rangers to Somalia. We are not going to be able to control them. They are like overtrained pit bulls. No one controls them.”) Shootings at U.S. military roadblocks became increasingly commonplace, and Somalis witnessed scenes of mostly white American forces harassing and shooting black countrymen.
    The thousands of M-16 rifles sent, courtesy of the American taxpayer, to Barre’s armed forces were now in the hands of rival militiamen
    Even though the UN was technically in control, U.S. forces went on increasingly aggressive forays, including a major battle in Mogadishu that resulted in the deaths of 18 Marines and hundreds of Somali civilians, dramatized in the highly fictionalized thriller Black Hawk Down. The U.S.-led UN forces had become yet another faction in the multisided conflict. Largely retreating to fixed position, the primary American mission soon became protecting its own forces. With mounting criticism on Capitol Hill from both the left and the right, President Bill Clinton withdrew American troops in March 1994. The UN took its last peacekeeping forces out one year later.”
    for the whole complete text, the link is: http://www.fpif.org/progresp/volume6/v6n02.html
    I am sorry for the paragraphs getting big but it’s the requirement. And for grammatical rules also i am sorry but u should keep in mind ,and mr. nicedeb did, that my first language is URDU. So i am capable of speaking that much English but u r not even able of saying a few words or sentences of my language.

    *- Some more of important text:
    Somalia (March 1992 to February 1996)

    Contribution of Pakistan: 7200 troops.
    Casualties of Pakistan: 39.

    United Nations Operation in Somalia I (UNISOM I), during the Somali Civil War, Pakistan was the first country to respond to the call of the United Nations. On 14th September 1992 five hundred Pakistani troops arrived in Mogadishu to launch the United Nation humanitarian campaign. Deployment of the security force was preceded by the arrival of an advance party of 50 United Nation observers, drawn from different countries, led by a Pakistani Brigadier.
    Their selfless services provided the Somalians both relief and hope after a dark period of terror and hunger. The goodwill that their humane behaviors generated was reflected in the Pakistani-Somali Walal Walal (Pakistanis and Somalis are brothers) slogans that one heard from an appreciative people.
    The Pakistani troops were asked by the United Nation Force Headquarters to carry out an inspection of the weapon storage sites of Farah Aideed, to whom the date and time of inspection had been communicated in advance. Nobody at the United Nation Force Headquarters was able to foresee his reaction and his power to arouse the feelings of his followers against those who were carrying out the inspection. Even as their colleagues were engaged in distributing food at one of the feeding points, the Pakistani inspectors were ambushed by Aideeds followers. The ambushers were using children and women as human shields to prevent being fired back while the road-blocks they had set up made Pakistanis withdrawal difficult. Though taken by surprise and totally exposed, the courageous blue beret Pakistanis fought their way back taking full care that the children and women protecting the attackers remained unharmed.The Olympic Hotel Incident of 3rd October 1993 took place during one of these operations when 75 US Rangers got stranded and had to be rescued by a joint force of US and Pakistani troops. The grim battle lasted eight hours. The US Rangers suffered 17 dead and 77 injured while one was captured by Aideed forces. The wounded were admitted to the Pakistani hospital at Soccer Stadium. Had it not been for the courage, valour and steadfastness of the Pakistani soldiers, the rescue operation could not have succeeded and the trapped US soldiers might have perished.
    The Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary General, Admiral Jonathan Howe and UNOSOM Force Commander, Lieutenant General Cevik Bir expressed special appreciation for Pakistani troops’ determination and professionalism and thanked them for helping the US troops. Major General Thomas M. Montgomery, Deputy Commander of the United Nations Forces in Somalia in a television interview said, “Many of the soldiers are alive today because of the willingness and skill of the Pakistani soldiers who worked jointly in a rescue operation with Malaysian and American soldiers in most difficult and dangerous combat circumstances.” He thanked the people and Pakistan Army for sending, “such splendid soldiers to Somalia who we feel proud to serve with. Pakistani soldiers have been completely dependable even in the most difficult circumstances. They have shouldered a huge and dangerous load for UNOSOM and the Somali people.”
    In a rare acknowledgment of good job done the Chinese Premier Chou-En-Lai remarked, “The only example in United Nation’s history, when a United Nation military force had gone in, performed its role honestly and came out, was Pakistan’s military contingent to Indonesia.”

    Mr Enerique ter Horst, United Nations Secretary General’s Special Representative in Haiti while appreciating the services of Pakistani troops said, “since the arrival of Pakistan Battalion in Haiti the United Nations has realized that Pakistan Army is not only a formidable fighting force but peace keepers and peace builders in the best sense of the word. The way in which they have participated in the reconstruction and humanitarian assistance programmes beyond the call of duty to ensue stable environment, makes me confident that United Nations shall very soon attain the objectives of its mission in Haiti.I express my deep appreciation and gratitude to the people of Pakistan, the Pakistan Army and its valiant soldiers for their manifestations filled with utmost sincerity, friendship and solidarity.”
    Well friends! for the whole of this interesting text and incidents, visit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_peacekeeping_missions_involving_Pakistan
    (People know that wikipedia is NOT a Pakistani website.)

    And when it comes to kissing your ass, i won’t bcoz it’s a bad kicked one by Alqaaeda. And still there’s danger kissing ur ass bcoz your ass might explode if Osama’s face accidentally came to your mind. hahahaaha. Now note that you started vulgar talk, I didn’t.

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  16. Fahad, I’m going to be patient with you because you are so young; I have a son almost as old as you. By the way, I’m MRS. Nice Deb, Not Mr.

    The Blackhawk down incident happened when a liberal Democrat occupied the White House. But I’ll leave it to others more knowledgeable about the ordeal, than I to dispute your source on that. Something tells me, based on the accuracy of the arguments you’ve brought to the table thus far, it’s deeply flawed.

    You are factually incorrect about the number of casualties we incurred in the Vietnam War. We have a long way to go before we even get close:

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/08/shhh-us-winning-iraq-war-military-plans.html#comments

    Feel free to read all of the casualty stats in that Gateway Pundit post. Some very illuminating facts, there.

    As for al Qaeda kicking our butts….are you kidding me? Tell me you’re joking. Al Qaeda are really good at blowing themselves up, and taking civilians with them but in armed combat against the United States military they are woefully inadequate, and are taking casualties up the wazoo. In Bush’s speech, today, he let fly the fact that we’ve killed over 1,500 al Qaeda or insurgents for every month of this year.

    http://www.rightwingsparkle.blogspot.com/

    Yes, I started the vulgar talk, but at least I made sense when I did.

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