Tea Partiers To Clean Up Mess Left By Protesters In Madison (UPDATE: Painter’s Union Offered To Help, too)

Officials had estimated that it would cost 7.5 million to clean up the mess left by pro-gov-union protesters.

It could cost as much as $7.5 million to repair damage protesters have done to the Capitol Building marble say officials in Madison. Fixing posters to the marble with tape and glue appears to have done the bulk of the damage.

During testimony Thursday, a representative from the Attorney General’s office said a contractor estimated it would cost $500,000 to remove all of the posters and garbage. He says it would cost $6 million to restore the marble inside of the Capitol building and another $1 million to touch up the marble outside of the building.

Officials with the Department of Administration say the marble must be restored immediately. They say normally, tape isn’t used on the walls of the Capitol by rule because of the historic nature of the building. Easels are normally used for signs.

Six million dollars to touch up marble? I’m guessing the cleaning is to be done by unionized labor at that price.

Tea party supporters in Wisconsin have offered their services to do the “$500,000″ worth of cleaning inside the Capitol for free. They’ve created a Facebook group  to organize the event called “It’s Time to Take Out the Trash!”. They will be in Madison on Sunday to clean-up the  huge mess left by the pro-union protesters over the past two weeks.

UPDATE:

Although this post wasn’t supposed to be more about the tea partiers than about the cost of the clean-up,  some commenters seem fixated on the “high-end” estimate made by state officials.

So I feel it’s necessary to mention that  they have indeed come out with a revised estimate since that initial report:

MADISON – State officials have the revised the estimated price tag of cleanup at the Capitol.

Yesterday, officials said the job could cost more than $7 million dollars. Now they’re saying it could cost as little as $350,000.
The concern is over reside left behind by protestors inside the historic building over the last three weeks, specifically, adhesive from posters taped to the Capitol’s stone, marble and wood surfaces.
Department of Administration Secretary Mike Huebsch is now saying that was a high-end estimate.
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Still, the head of a masonry company that has done work to the Capitol in the past, says $7 million dollars wasn’t so far off the mark. Jim Durham of Quarra Stone says you can’t just use household cleaners in the historic building:
“It’s going to soak up hand prints, oil from your skin. It’s going to soak up the adhesives of the tape.”
A painter’s union has stepped up and offered to clean up the Capitol for free.

The painter’s union deserves major kudos for offering their help for free, too. Especially since it seems the work they will be doing is the more expensive labor.

See also:

American Power: Wisconsin Protests: It’s an Occupation, Not a Sleepover

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84 Responses to “Tea Partiers To Clean Up Mess Left By Protesters In Madison (UPDATE: Painter’s Union Offered To Help, too)”

  1. Michael Spurlock Says:

    I understand the message, but I think Americans should get out of the habit of cleaning up after Democrat crybabies. Now, if someone would point out publicly and loudly that we have had to clean up after them for decades, and this is yet another example, that would be different.

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  2. TwoWolves Says:

    You are aware that the claim of $7.5 million worth of damage has already been -ahem- adjusted downwards?

    Painter’s tape on marble leaves no damage.

    Critical thought should be your friend.

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  3. make me some tea Says:

    There’s no way in hell that would cost $7.5 million to cleanup.

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  4. Sparky Says:

    I don’t live in Wisconsin, but instead of the negative comments posted here, I’ll just say “Thank You” Tea Party members of Wisconsin. You are doing the “ADULT” thing and cleaning up after spoiled brat children.

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  5. nicedeb Says:

    TwoWolves – Did you not notice that I questioned the estimate in the post? Seemed ridiculous to me which is why I made the joke that it must be union labor doing the cleaning.

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  6. TwoWolves Says:

    Sparky

    Is this the same Sparky from Boomers?

    nicedeb

    “Seemed ridiculous to me which is why I made the joke that it must be union labor doing the cleaning.”

    That was a joke? Looks more like taking a cheap shot. To each their own.

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  7. nicedeb Says:

    “Cheap shot”?

    You don’t think public employees often work at an inflated rate doing unskilled labor?

    Get real. That wasn’t a cheap shot, at all.

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  8. TwoWolves Says:

    As I said, to each their own.

    Are the Koch Brothers paying to bus the TEA folks in?

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  9. nicedeb Says:

    Project much?

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  10. TwoWolves Says:

    Psychoanalyze strangers much?

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  11. nicedeb Says:

    You make it too easy.

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  12. make me some tea Says:

    I like tacos.

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  13. TwoWolves Says:

    I try to keep it on a basic level whenever I’m talking about, or to, TEA folk.

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  14. nicedeb Says:

    Yeah, okay. I think “make me some tea” has the technique down.

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  15. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere Says:

    I try to keep it on a basic level

    Good advice for inveterate liars. Makes it a little more difficult to get tripped up by your own lies.

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  16. DavidL Says:

    It has been said that he who leaves the battlefield last wins. The battleffield being the state capital in Madison, by cleaning up the union thugocrat mess, the Tea Party has won.

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  17. TwoWolves Says:

    Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere

    What lies? The premise of the TEA movement is that they believe the tax rates are egregious. Yet I’ve never had a single one of them answer a ‘basic’ question and that question is; Compared to what other first world nation are your taxes too high? They appear to want a second class nation.

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  18. TwoWolves Says:

    “thugocrat”

    Isn’t there a school yard missing its name calling president?

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  19. SirKnob Says:

    Could you imagine the leftist outcry, and hatchet job that the lame stream would do, if Conservatives had made a mess like this. I have to imagine that the police would imediately arrest anyone that taped a Conservative sign to building interior. After all, it is against the law to deface public property. Of course, as we all know, the law does not always apply to Socialist.

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  20. TwoWolves Says:

    SirKnob

    Can you imagine

    Lame stream

    I have to imagine

    Law does not apply

    Dude, throw in a Ronald Reagan reference and you have buzzword bingo.

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  21. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere Says:

    They appear to want a second class nation.

    Not true. But we’ve been on the way there thanks to the vote-buying dependency foisted on too many in this country by the left and their freinds. If we stuck to the functions of government, and not the utopian wish lists that we are constantly being lectured to about the necessity of, then we would be far less concerned about the amount paid, and what is done with it.

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  22. nicedeb Says:

    “thugocrat”

    Isn’t there a school yard missing its name calling president?

    High-minded words for someone who came here from FARK.

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  23. geoff Says:

    The premise of the TEA movement is that they believe the tax rates are egregious.

    Wrong. The premise of the Tea Party movement is that tax rates will inevitably become egregious if we continue our current fiscal policies. That’s why so many of the signs talk about mortgaging the next generation’s future.

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  24. geoff Says:

    Yet I’ve never had a single one of them answer a ‘basic’ question and that question is; Compared to what other first world nation are your taxes too high? They appear to want a second class nation.

    Nice job of tilting at windmills. I can’t believe you have the gall to criticize Tea Party members when you apparently don’t understand the issues at all.

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  25. astonerii Says:

    Marble is porous, thus, if you put anything on it that can discolor it, it becomes nearly permanent. It is extremely hard to remove stains that are deep into the marble.

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  26. Bill G. Says:

    How tempting it is to suggest the trash is already gone, it’s in Illinois.

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  27. Chris Says:

    ANOTHER WALKER LIE. The Governor is full of it

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  28. nicedeb Says:

    What part of this is a lie, Chris?

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  29. TwoWolves Says:

    “High-minded words for someone who came here from FARK.”

    Blaming the board, not the commenter?

    There’s a logical fallacy.

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  30. TwoWolves Says:

    “Nice job of tilting at windmills. I can’t believe you have the gall to criticize Tea Party members when you apparently don’t understand the issues at all.”

    Which issue? The propaganda of $7.5m in damage or getting an answer to a simple question?

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  31. TwoWolves Says:

    “he premise of the Tea Party movement is that tax rates will inevitably become egregious if we continue our current fiscal policies. ”

    So TEA doesn’t stand for Taxed Enough Already?

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  32. Purple L. Says:

    I just want to give a big “THANK YOU!” to all the Tea Partiers…for once again stepping up to TAKING OUT THE TRASH! literally.

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  33. nicedeb Says:

    Blaming the board, not the commenter?

    That right there is a logical fallacy. I did no such thing. I was pointing out your hypocrisy.

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  34. TwoWolves Says:

    Purple L.

    Don’t you mean for allegedly stepping up to do something in the future concerning the assertion of damage?

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  35. nicedeb Says:

    Also. I should mention I updated. I didn’t realize that The Painter’s Union had offered to clean up the Capitol’s stone, marble and wood surfaces for free, too.

    Gotta give them kudos for that.

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  36. sdeidremarie Says:

    nicedeb, I wouldn’t bother replying to twowolves any longer, he is only “instigating”,…best to ignore

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  37. SemperEquitas Says:

    TwoWolves
    I am curious what the taxrates in another country have to do with the taxrates here in the U.S.

    The fact is our governments, from local up to national waste too much money. Instead of stopping the waste, they raise taxes to cover it up.

    Tea party wants to stop that.

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  38. TwoWolves Says:

    SemperEquitas

    One data point is useless. If you say the weather is too warm or too cold you must compare it against other temperatures. If Mr. Jones says he is over-taxed a rational examination has to include more than one data point.

    Your second point: Where are you getting your data?

    TEA party is voting with the GOP, also known as the Spend and Spend Party. New boss, same as the old boss.

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  39. TwoWolves Says:

    sdeidremarie

    If I was a rude troll, or dismissive of other views you might have a point. I’m looking for hard data that can be used to influence my opinions. Do a Google search on Robert A. Heinlein and his quote concerning ‘Facts.’

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  40. nicedeb Says:

    I don’t consider TwoWolves to be a troll just because he disagrees with us.- He has refrained from calling us tea baggers, so credit where it’s due.

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  41. Mary Says:

    TwoWolves, and your reference to painter’s tape means what? From what pictures I’ve seen, they didn’t use painter’s tape, and regular adhesive tape, and masking tape don’t peel off. What’s been stated is that marble like this is damaged by adhesive, and you can’t use the strong cleaners to remove the gunk from it. Frankly, these leftist crybabies have had excuses made for them them their entire lives, they don’t need you making more for them. I say kudos to that painter’s union, the members of which are private sector workers, taxpayers who are stepping up to the plate like adults, pitching in as Americans are supposed to.

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  42. Mere Citizen Says:

    twowolves you have not asked a single question, just snarky BS that indicate you believe yourself to be much more intelligent than the average bear or should I say wolf? You have however noted that critical thinking could be a friend. I couldn’t agree more. The problem is that critical thinking is apparently not your strong suit either. Regardless of what the cost is the clean the capital, the reality is that it is not the disrespectful who felt it appropriate to tape up signs wherever they could find the space to do so that will paying the cost is it? Maybe some of those folks weren’t quite as bright as you and didn’t use painters tape. I know that’s hard to believe that the ever so smart with Masters degrees and such wouldn’t know that, but just consider there is that off chance.
    It will be the taxpayers of Wisconsin.

    And as far as revising the cost downward, well yes it was. It was also noted in the same article that the high end cost was based on worst case scenario, not an unreasonable thing to do. You know just in case. Or perhaps your version of critical thinking doesn’t put much stock in thinking two steps ahead of yourself.

    A painters union has offered to do clean up for free. The issue comes regarding what the old marble and wood is going to take to put back to rights., and those in the painters union may not be skilled in that capacity, anymore than the volunteers from the Tea Party are. Critical Thinking might point this out to you. The Capital Building is not just the province of those who were protesting and living there. It is the peoples house and that means all the people, and anyone with a bit of respect would not have treated the peoples house like that.

    However if you are of the ilk that believes other peoples money is yours whenever you need it for budget shortfalls, even when over 10% of those other people have lost their own jobs and money, and maybe homes, then you likely don’t care how the building was treated, or how much it will cost to clean it up, after all it’s other peoples money and time that will be affected.

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  43. TwoWolves Says:

    Mary

    I’m sorry, but painter’s tape has been the adhesive most referenced.

    Your second point: Leftists. No, there is no viable Left in the U.S.. The vast majority of unions know they can’t survive without capitalism. If anyone is looking for excuses you may wish to look at Gov. Walkers actions. No his words, his actions.

    Third point: Not all unions are evil. You have the ability to discern. Very good.

    Yes, groups pitching in for no personal benefit is a good thing.

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  44. TwoWolves Says:

    “It will be the taxpayers of Wisconsin. ”

    No, according to the hostess of this blog, it will be a union doing it gratis.

    The rest of the comment is speculation and conjecture.

    Let’s stop playing talking point/buzz word bingo and look at the facts.

    The effort by Gov. Walker is not fiscal, it is political. The teachers have already agreed to the monetary issues. What remains is a struggle to obviate the teachers union as a political force.

    As the recent Citizens United ruling from the SCOTUS says corporations have a political voice then the Union (which is incorporated) has those same 1st amendment rights.

    If Gov. Walker busts the Teachers Union they have a very good Constitutional case against him.

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  45. Nick in Bath Says:

    ITT: Nicedeb.wordpress.com finally breaks down into people making “X, much?” arguments. Its finally happened. Irreverence has taken over on all sides.

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  46. Tiberius Says:

    $7 million to repair sticky tape damages to marble, another million to touch up the marble outside, half-a-million to pick up the litter… It’s astonishing that people of normal intelligence take such preposterous claims seriously. But I suppose that’s all part of the set-up for the big Tea Party to the Rescue moment, which will promptly take center stage on Fox News.

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  47. Mere Citizen Says:

    Has the state of Wisconsin accepted the proposal by the Painters Union? It is my understanding from reading the original article that the Painters Union, a private, not public union, volunteered to do clean up. Does that include restoration? The article does not say. Are the painters skilled in restoration of old marble?
    I don’t refute that Walker is attempting to take power from the Public Unions, including teachers. A long term healthy budget requires this is needed. I also see it as Democratic reform that is being forced onto the unions. No one should be required to join a union in order to work. No one should be forced to pay dues that than go to political activities one despises. A teacher should be able to be fired for poor performance as easily as any other employee. Public Unions are as near to an American Praetorian Guard as has ever been found in this country. Sheriff Mahoney who refused to act as “the Palace Guard” had no idea how close he actually was. Officer Mahoney has been bought and paid for.
    Now lets talk about speculation and conjecture. It is not difficult to assess what your tone is. You have made it clear that you are much brighter than any of those who don’t share you views. Your belief in this comes through loud and clear. It is not speculation nor conjecture to know that the overall cost for whatever is done will be paid for by the State of Wisconsin. Who else is going to pay for it? The Teachers Union? The drummers and chanters who could afford to hang out for two weeks, sleeping in the building, must surely be able to afford it. After all they could afford to stay there night after night and not go to a job. Must be that great vacation time they have available to them.
    It is possible that the overall project will be done gratis by the Painters Union, if so I give them kudos and thanks for it. What is glaringly obvious is that those who made the mess did so without any consideration for the building or it’s old materials, and that they left a mess for someone else to clean up. Neither of these statements are conjecture or speculation. It is however, speculation that the protesters put up all their posters with painters tape, and it is conjecture to suppose that none of their posters will cause any need for restoration of old wood or marble.

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  48. Nilla Says:

    They’re not going to know how expensive it will be until they start removing the residue and figure out what percentage will require professional polishing. The high end estimate seems like a worse case scenario but the low ball estimate seems to assume zero damage. The truth will probably fall between the two.

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  49. patrioticamerican Says:

    A throng of hippies and socialist union thugs led by self-avowed Communists trash the Capitol, and TwoWolves comes to push the “Unions are People” meme.

    Well, guess what? So is Soylent Green. It’s PEE-PULL!

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  50. TwoWolves Says:

    patrioticamerican

    According to SCOTUS corporations are people. So what’s your point?

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  51. geoff Says:

    So TEA doesn’t stand for Taxed Enough Already?

    What’s your point? If you’re “taxed enough” then it means that you don’t want to see taxes increase. Duh. If you see an administration exercising a fiscal policy that will inevitably lead to tax increases, then you protest.

    You asked a stupid question and whined that the Tea Party wouldn’t give you an answer. Next time, try asking a question that has something to do with their actual platform.

    Which issue? The propaganda of $7.5m in damage or getting an answer to a simple question?

    Now that was just stupid. It’s like you didn’t even read the comment.

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  52. TwoWolves Says:

    Mere Citizen

    “What is glaringly obvious is that those who made the mess did so without any consideration for the building or it’s old materials, and that they left a mess for someone else to clean up.”

    Truly ironic how the micro can so parallel the macro.

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  53. geoff Says:

    Truly ironic how the micro can so parallel the macro.

    …and so TW dodges the question and starts trying to change the subject. Classic liberal argumentation.

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  54. TwoWolves Says:

    geoff

    Then state the question baldly and I’ll be happy to respond.

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  55. geoff Says:

    Then state the question baldly and I’ll be happy to respond.

    MC was asking why you believe, completely without substantiation, that no restoration will be needed.

    Put another way (in parallel w/the silly question you hopefully didn’t really pose to Tea Partiers), how much should WI have to pay for the insensitive behavior of the slovenly protesters?

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  56. TwoWolves Says:

    “MC was asking why you believe, completely without substantiation, that no restoration will be needed.

    Put another way (in parallel w/the silly question you hopefully didn’t really pose to Tea Partiers), how much should WI have to pay for the insensitive behavior of the slovenly protesters?”

    Because, at this time, there are only allegations that any damage has actually been done. I’ve looked for photos of real damage and have so far found nothing.

    Does this address your concerns?

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  57. geoff Says:

    Does this address your concerns?

    Not at all. State officials say there’s a problem, and you don’t believe them because you can’t Google up a photo?

    Pitiful.

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  58. geoff Says:

    Not at all. State officials say there’s a problem, and you don’t believe them because you can’t Google up a photo?

    I’ll have to retract that – State officials said that if there’s damage they could run to the high estimate of cleanup costs. Experts also note that using painter’s tape isn’t a guarantee that no damage occurred.

    But I don’t really care about adhesives ‘n such – I only got involved on this thread when I saw your silly interpretation of the Tea Party agenda. And it’s enough for me that the protesters didn’t volunteer to clean up their own mess, regardless of whether the cost is $350K or $7.5 million. They certainly didn’t have any troubles organizing for their occupation, but cleaning up after themselves is somehow beyond them.

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  59. TwoWolves Says:

    Ok, so you admit the “if.” Good start.

    Now to address the TEA Party agenda: This is a curious thing which I’ve run into many times. Very similar to the U.S. Libertarian movement in that shen you ask five Libertarians what the platform of their movement is you’ll get six (irony intended) different answers. The TEA Party has been astroturfed so that there isn’t a central theme and so there isn’t anyone responsible for the group. Structured in fact like a guerrilla movement using cells. Your reaction to TEA versus Tea is a shining example.

    Your version of the Tea Party is against wasteful spending and the timing is curious indeed.

    So I can use mixed endings… what if the cleanup costs $40.00 in OT for a single janitor?

    Ifs are so good. They leave you all sorts of room to weasel.

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  60. TwoWolves Says:

    when, not shen.

    FTFM

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  61. geoff Says:

    Ok, so you admit the “if.” Good start.

    No – that’s the end. I was trying to get you to answer MC’s point, not any of my own.

    Very similar to the U.S. Libertarian movement in that shen you ask five Libertarians what the platform of their movement is you’ll get six (irony intended) different answers.

    I haven’t had that experience.

    The TEA Party has been astroturfed so that there isn’t a central theme and so there isn’t anyone responsible for the group.

    That would be an incorrect premise. It’s true that there isn’t anyone responsible for it, but the astroturfing claim was never valid. Compare, for example, to OFA, which is the preeminent example of astroturfing.

    And no central theme? That’s ridiculous. The movement started with concerns over deficit spending, mounting public debt, and the Administration’s approach to easing the recession. People wanted to see deficit reduction via cutbacks in spending, but were presented instead with record-breaking budgets and deficits.

    Since then there have been many other issues added to the mix (limited government, personal freedom, etc.), but that was the original motivation for the Tea Parties. And it remains, to my knowledge (I’m not a TPer, so NiceDeb can correct me if I go astray), the core motivation.

    Your version of the Tea Party is against wasteful spending and the timing is curious indeed.

    Which timing?

    So I can use mixed endings… what if the cleanup costs $40.00 in OT for a single janitor?

    I don’t see the point of such a silly question. Morally, the costs incurred are simply wrong, no matter how small. Arguing about the cost is like the old joke about the whore. Practically, $40 is obviously better than $350K or $7.5 million. But if you want to argue practicalities, you should pick a realistic number.

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  62. TwoWolves Says:

    That would be an incorrect premise. It’s true that there isn’t anyone responsible for it, but the astroturfing claim was never valid. Compare, for example, to OFA, which is the preeminent example of astroturfing.

    And no central theme? That’s ridiculous. The movement started with concerns over deficit spending, mounting public debt, and the Administration’s approach to easing the recession. People wanted to see deficit reduction via cutbacks in spending, but were presented instead with record-breaking budgets and deficits.

    Astroturfed: http://www.thedailybell.com/1301/Dick-Armeys-Tea-Party-Coup.html Dick Armey and FreedomWorks

    Americans for Prosperity is another help-meet.

    Central theme is once again a matter of individual view point. I went to the Restoring Honor rally and there were 57 varieties of what it meant to be in the TEA/Tea movement.

    Which timing?

    That the interest in cutting spending would not take national prominence until Mr. Bush, the Lesser, left office.

    But if you want to argue practicalities, you should pick a realistic number.

    It was lampooning the $15m number and pointing out the faux outrage involved.

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  63. Nick in Bath Says:

    Hey, I’m gonna make popcorn…anyone else want popcorn…?

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  64. geoff Says:

    Astroturfed: http://www.thedailybell.com/1301/Dick-Armeys-Tea-Party-Coup.html Dick Armey and FreedomWorks

    You should re-read that. It doesn’t support your claim. All it does is speculate that Armey could possibly have a larger role in the Tea Party than he admits. Proof? None. It’s all innuendo. And even if it was true? Meaningless.

    I went to the Restoring Honor rally and there were 57 varieties of what it meant to be in the TEA/Tea movement.

    That’s very special.

    That the interest in cutting spending would not take national prominence until Mr. Bush, the Lesser, left office.

    Ah, yer a presumptuous one, you are. In fact that’s absolutely untrue – conservatives were unhappy that spending wasn’t reduced during both of Bush’s tax cuts.

    It was lampooning the $15m number and pointing out the faux outrage involved.

    I don’t believe that anybody ever mentioned $15 million. And “faux outrage?” Nothing faux about it.

    But if you’re just going to lampoon things (too late, the unions already lampooned themselves), I’m done here. So far the only actual point you made was that the damage might not be that bad. The State agrees, and the post was updated last night to reflect the new info. Does it let the unions off the hook? No, they still left an enormous and unconscionable mess.

    As to the rest, all you’ve done is display a set of fallacious presumptions and prejudices. I’ve wasted enough time on this, but before I go, here’s a helpful guide:

    No, the Tea Party is not organized like guerrilla cells.

    No, the fact that the Tea Party has a disorganized message is not a sign of astroturfing: quite the opposite.

    While some TPers complain about existing taxes, the core message has always been to eliminate deficit spending and reduce debt via fiscal discipline.

    No, we weren’t happy about Bush’s spending. And we said so.

    Americans for Prosperity isn’t the Tea Party.

    Dick Armey doesn’t run the Tea Party.

    Even your article admits that the Tea Party was founded as a grassroots organization.

    Sticking the WI taxpayers with even a $350K bill for cleanup is reprehensible, as is leaving the mess in the first place.

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  65. TwoWolves Says:

    Hey, I’m gonna make popcorn…anyone else want popcorn…?

    Only if it has real butter.

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  66. nicedeb Says:

    Only if it has real butter.

    Finally we agree on something!

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  67. lovesTea Says:

    Conseratives left to clean up another liberal mess!

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  68. TwoWolves Says:

    lovesTea

    Like the Wall Street bail out?
    Like Iraq?
    Like the S&L scandal?

    Who is cleaning up after whom?

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  69. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere Says:

    Ah, yer a presumptuous one, you are. In fact that’s absolutely untrue – conservatives were unhappy that spending wasn’t reduced during both of Bush’s tax cuts.

    Seconded.

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  70. Momof3 Says:

    Thank you, geoff.

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  71. TwoWolves Says:

    Ah, yer a presumptuous one, you are. In fact that’s absolutely untrue – conservatives were unhappy that spending wasn’t reduced during both of Bush’s tax cuts.

    So no real conservatives were in power for those two terms?

    You can’t take the Free Republic route and claim they were all RINOs.

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  72. nicedeb Says:

    Conservatives were disgusted with and demoralized by big government spending during the Bush years(which pales in comparison to Dem spending, today, of course). I think that’s why why Repubs lost in 2006 and 2008 – they had lost the trust of too many in their own party.

    There are/were plenty of good conservatives in Congress, (the ones you probably despise like Mike Pence and Michelle Bachmann) but they were out-numbered by big spending Repubs and Dems. Bush was never a fiscal conservative which is the main complaint conservatives have always had about him.

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  73. Mere Citizen Says:

    twowolves can’t figure out if the Tea Party is a bunch of libertarians who can’t agree on anything or if it’s actually AstroTurf. According to the liberal master it is both.
    I say it’s closer to this quote from twowolves-“Structured in fact like a guerrilla movement using cells” closer in fact than playing at Native American will ever actually realize.

    A guerrilla movement like the Overmountain men that turned the tide of the American War of Independence. Like those men we are gathering when it is necessary to fight the fight that has to be won, and then we will go back home until the next fight comes along.
    Get this twowolves, you can go ahead and throw around whatever two bit narrative you are getting from a political party and in the end it won’t mean a thing. The Battle of Kings Mountain was won by unenlisted militiamen, with no orders, no uniforms, no provisions and no pay. It was not just British soldiers they were fighting but American Tories who were willing to trade off freedom for the British version of safety. Today’s Tories pretend they are smarter and better educated than the average and thus they have a right to go ahead and order your lives for you and to take your tax dollars. You’re a Tory twowolves, a traitor to freedom.
    A guerrilla force like the overmountain men, no cells, just folks that have had enough and who are willing to march over that mountain and stop the Tories in their tracks to turn the tide of the war.
    Argue all you want twowolves, you are on the losing end of history.

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  74. Mere Citizen Says:

    By the way please don’t pretend you think my allegory is about violence either. I’m an overmountain men, while twowolves is a Tory. No different than the original version who couldn’t see the “ignorant” colonialist ever defeating the ever so much more bigger and smarter empire.

    But we will, we have once and we will do so again.

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  75. An early evening at the Sashimi Bar-6 March 11 | adeliemanchot Says:

    [...] Tea Partiers To Clean Up Mess Left By Protesters In Madison (UPDATE: Painter’s Union Offered To He… Tea party supporters in Wisconsin have offered their services to do the “$500,000″ worth of cleaning inside the Capitol for free. They’ve created a Facebook group  to organize the event called “It’s Time to Take Out the Trash!”. They will be in Madison on Sunday to clean-up the  huge mess left by the pro-union protesters over the past two weeks. [...]

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  76. sikntyrd Says:

    TwoWolves is very busy…may be working for the government. That’s the problem with the liberals, they have too much time on their hands AND they are ignorant and facts don’t mean anything to them even if it hits them in the face. They are narrow minded and obviously ignorant and uncivilized the way they leave places where they rally. Sad that a lot of Democrats would support these types of citizens – bums and thugs.

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  77. BORN FREE Says:

    Soviet unionism:

    Approximately 5 hundred million people have died at the hands of Socialists/Progressives since about 1918. This includes the loss of life fighting against it since then. It’s impossible to estimate even approximately the living victims that have suffered and still suffer due to it since 1918 but if when held in comparison to the successes and benefits due to opportunity offered via capitalism practiced in a free republic it’s not hard to see that the Socialist agenda of utopia is still a hopeless hapless 3rd world living nightmare. The closest examples within proximity to the U.S. of 3rd world living conditions exist in neighboring Cuba and Mexico.

    The whole world is now witness to the anarchy style destruction and the ghettoish pigsty left in the wake of the 3rd world socialists demonstrating in Madison – – a history of the 60’s repeating itself. The only thing missing up to this point in time would be another Karlton Armstrong and David Fine tribute bombing to the 1970, Sterling Hall, U.W. Madison bombing. Probably would have to interview one of Mao’s adopted American sons William Ayers (Obama’s good buddy) or David Axelrod if anything is in the works.

    Soviet unionism is Un-American.

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  78. A Hollywood Republican » WHY WALKER WILL WIN IN WISCONSIN Says:

    [...] As the astroturf protesters create $7.5 million in damages and clean up at the state capitol, the Tea Partiers go there and clean it up.  As Congressional Democrats crank up the violent rhetoric, Congressional [...]

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  79. WHY WALKER WILL WIN IN WISCONSIN | Hooray For CHANGE! Says:

    [...] As the astroturf protesters create $7.5 million in damages and clean up at the state capitol, the Tea Partiers go there and clean it up.  As Congressional Democrats crank up the violent rhetoric, Congressional [...]

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  80. Vicky Jones Says:

    The day after the DOA announced that it would cost $7.5 million to clean up the Capitol, an historical preservationist looked over the site and found that the protesters had treated the Capitol with great respect (http://tinyurl.com/6h3zfm3). The next day the DOA admitted that it might have “overstated” its estimate somewhat (http://tinyurl.com/49n2cke), like by 2,100%.

    The Capitol was cleaned up very quickly, and no actual cost has been released to the public, which suggests that the DOA had mis-estimated by WAY over 2,100%. The other cost that hasn’t been mentioned is how much it will take to repair the windows in the first and second floor restrooms. Governor Walker had ordered them sealed shut to prevent people from passing food in to the protesters camped out in the rotunda; bolts were screwed into the window frames, and then the bolt heads cut off.

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  81. nicedeb Says:

    Yeah, we already discussed the inflated estimate ad nauseam, and I’m not buying the “great care and respect” line at all. Too many of us have seen the truth:

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  82. Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent… » Friday Link Wrap-up Says:

    [...] going to clean up this mess in Wisconsin? It could cost as much as $7.5 million to repair damage protesters have done to the [...]

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