Pretty Much Everyone Knows The Public Option Will Lead To A Single Payer Health Care System

Which makes the Obama administration’s denials to the contrary all the more ludicrous. His lies about his past  support for single payer are beyond ludicrous at this point. They’re pathological. And it’s getting tougher and tougher for Democrats in congress to keep a straight face and pretend that their support for a public option isn’t de facto support for single payer.

Read Verum Serum:

Experts Agree: ObamaCare is a Trojan Horse for Single Payer

Over at Hot Air, Ed Morrissey does his usual superb job in breaking down a USA Today post fact-checking the President on his town hall meeting in New Hampshire yesterday. Conn Carroll over at The Heritage Foundation put together a great fact check as well.

But the analysis I found most interesting was a discussion forum over at Politico, where a moderator asked a panel of experts whether the public option is the first step towards a single-payer system. And while some of the respondents were clearly partisan, there were several academic experts on the panel. Take a look at some of their responses:

Many Democrats are on record saying that it IS the first step toward a government-run single payer-type system. President Obama, himself, has repeatedly expressed his support for a single payer system.

So it should be no surprise that Americans have come to think that the current legislation is a step toward single payer. Apparently many Democrats think that it is, and they are driving the bus.

– James G. Gimpel, Professor of Political Science, Maryland

Duh.

By the way, it is worth noting the ridiculousness of the public option idea if it is intended as anything but the first step to a government-run, single payer system. The idea that a “government option” is needed to keep the industry honest or provide consumer choice is as nutty as suggesting that we need government-run restaurants and grocery stores to keep competition honest.

– Bradley A. Smith, Professor, election law and campaign finance

The public option is indeed a major step toward a government-run, single-payer system, as the result of scale economies in health insurance. But no, the current proposal is not the “first step.” The first, second, and third steps already happened long ago (Medicare being the most significant one). Government already runs a substantial chunk of health care, deciding via its control over the purse strings what procedures and which doctors many people go to. Some experts believe that the “tipping point” that would lead to major withdrawals by private insurers, and thus a near-total government control over the system, would occur at around a 60% government share, and we are already close to that point. The public option now being touted by President Obama likely would push us over the tipping point.

– Charles W. Calomiris, Professor of Financial Institutions, Columbia

There’s plenty more at Verum Serum. The whole lot needs to be flagged and reported to: flag@whitehouse.gov, I guess.

And pretty much everything Obama said at his town hall can be debunked by just taking a look at HR 3200.

Same with his bogus “Reality Check” Website.

RELATED:

Donald Douglas has an excellent report on the Adam Schiff town hall, yesterday in CA. 3000 people showed up at the  Alhambra Public Library, most of them anti-ObamaCare protesters:

Astroturf at Adam Schiff Town Hall: ACORN, AARP, Organizing for America, SEIU, and Stalinist Apparatchiks for ObamaCare!

When are they going to figure out that the American people know they’re being lied to, and it’s pissing them off?!

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14 Responses to “Pretty Much Everyone Knows The Public Option Will Lead To A Single Payer Health Care System”

  1. JackStraw Says:

    Of course it’s about a single payer system and the reason is control. Control not only over our lives but control over the levers of power. The NHS in the UK is the 3rd largest employer in the world behind only the Indian national railway and the Chinese army. Think about that, a country with a population 1/6 the size of the US has a national health agency that is the third largest employer in the world. If that doesn’t just scream efficiency I don’t know what does.

    So if we move to a single payer how many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of new government drones are we going to employee? I wonder how they will vote? This might give you a clue http://www.afscme.org/

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  2. Reiuxcat Says:

    Look at the bright side Jack, if you have the right connections, you too can get a 6 figure health care job just like Michelle got back in Chicago.

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  3. JackStraw Says:

    >>Look at the bright side Jack, if you have the right connections, you too can get a 6 figure health care job just like Michelle got back in Chicago.

    Only if I get to be on the Death Panel. Giving me the power of life and death, what could possibly go wrong?

    Thouest doeth offend me. Pull the plug!

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  4. nicedeb Says:

    Did you hear Ann Coulter on Hannity, yesterday? She said essentially the same thing. There are some Dems she would love to pull the plug on, and #1 on her “death list” would be eke Emanuel.

    Naturally the lib blogs are up in arms about that today.

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  5. JackStraw Says:

    I make no promises to only target liberals. With that kind of power, if you displease me, you will be dealt with.

    Kneel before Zod!!

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  6. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere Says:

    *bang! bang!*

    Oh, wait. You didn’t say “Kneecap Zod”? Sorry…I really should wear my glasses when I comment.

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  7. Reiuxcat Says:

    >>Only if I get to be on the Death Panel. Giving me the power of life and death, what could possibly go wrong?

    What life and death power? Just because someone is denied the treatment does not mean that one will necessarily die. Right?

    Somebody has been reading the fishy web sites again.

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  8. jacksmith Says:

    Throw The Healthcare Obstructionist Out!

    More than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 76% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (85% of democrats, 71% of independents, and 60% republicans). Basically everyone.

    We have the 37th worst quality of healthcare in the developed world. And the most costly. Costing over twice as much as every other county. Conservative estimates are that over 120,000 of you dies each year in America from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Insured and uninsured. Men, women, children, and babies. This is what being 37th in quality of healthcare means.

    I know that many of you are angry and frustrated that REPUBLICANS! In congress are dragging their feet and trying to block TRUE healthcare reform. What republicans want is just a taxpayer bailout of the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry, and the DISGRACEFUL GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT healthcare industry. A trillion dollar taxpayer funded private health insurance bailout is all you really get, without a robust government-run public option available on day one. Co-OP’s ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A GOVERNMENT-RUN PUBLIC OPTION. They are a fraud being pushed by the GREED DRIVEN PRIVATE FOR PROFIT health insurance industry that is KILLING YOU!

    YOU CANT HAVE AN INSURANCE MANDATE WITHOUT A ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION. MANDATING PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE AS YOUR ONLY CHOICE WOULD BE A DISASTER. AND UNETHICAL, CORRUPT, AND MORALLY REPUGNANT. AND PROBABLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS WELL.

    These industries have been slaughtering you and your loved ones like cattle for decades for profit. Including members of congress and their families. These REPUBLICANS are FOOLS!

    Republicans and their traitorous allies have been trying to make it look like it’s President Obama’s fault for the delays, and foot dragging. But I think you all know better than that. President Obama inherited one of the worst government catastrophes in American history from these REPUBLICANS! And President Obama has done a brilliant job of turning things around, and working his heart out for all of us.

    But Republicans think you are just a bunch of stupid, idiot, cash cows with short memories. Just like they did under the Bush administration when they helped Bush and Cheney rape America and the rest of the World.

    But you don’t have to put up with that. And this is what you can do. The Republicans below will be up for reelection on November 2, 2010. Just a little over 13 months from now. And many of you will be able to vote early. So pick some names and tell their voters that their representatives (by name) are obstructing TRUE healthcare reform. And are sellouts to the insurance and medical lobbyist.

    Ask them to contact their representatives and tell them that they are going to work to throw them out of office on November 2, 2010, if not before by impeachment, or recall elections. Doing this will give you something more to do to make things better in America. And it will make you feel better too.

    There are many resources on the internet that can help you find people to call and contact. For example, many social networking sites can be searched by state, city, or University. Be inventive and creative. I can think of many ways to do this. But be nice. These are your neighbors. And most will want to help.

    I know there are a few democrats that have been trying to obstruct TRUE healthcare reform too. But the main problem is the Bush Republicans. Removing them is the best thing tactically to do. On the other hand. If you can easily replace a democrat obstructionist with a supportive democrat, DO IT!

    You have been AMAZING!!! people. Don’t loose heart. You knew it wasn’t going to be easy saving the World. :-)

    God Bless You

    jacksmith — Working Class

    I REST MY CASE (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/)

    Republican Senators up for re-election in 2010.

    * Richard Shelby of Alabama
    * Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
    * John McCain of Arizona
    * Mel Martinez of Florida
    * Johnny Isakson of Georgia
    * Mike Crapo of Idaho
    * Chuck Grassley of Iowa
    * Sam Brownback of Kansas
    * Jim Bunning of Kentucky
    * David Vitter of Louisiana
    * Kit Bond of Missouri
    * Judd Gregg of New Hampshire
    * Richard Burr of North Carolina
    * George Voinovich of Ohio
    * Tom Coburn of Oklahoma
    * Jim DeMint of South Carolina
    * John Thune of South Dakota
    * Kay Bailey Hutchison of Texas
    * Bob Bennett of Utah

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  9. JackStraw Says:

    Don’t worry, Deb. He’s on my naughty list.

    No healthcare for you!!

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  10. Blackiswhite, Imperial Consigliere Says:

    MANDATING PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTH INSURANCE AS YOUR ONLY CHOICE WOULD BE A DISASTER. AND UNETHICAL, CORRUPT, AND MORALLY REPUGNANT. AND PROBABLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS WELL

    Explanation please.

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  11. Sparky Says:

    Jacksmith believes in the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny as well. Go back down in the basement, and don’t forget to take your meds. Nighty night.

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  12. Anonymous Says:

    Jacksmith,

    If what you said were true then there would be no need to have a debate about a “public option” to provide “competition” in the health care market; Congress would simply pass single-payer directly from where we are now. The “public option” gambit is necessary precisely because most Americans do NOT support single-payer. In fact, you have your numbers almost exactly backwards: 1/3 are in favor of single-payer and 2/3 oppose. These ratios have been fairly constant since the last attempt at single-payer by President Clinton in the early 1990s.

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  13. Rep. John Conyers Admits ObamaCare A “Platform” To Single-Payer System… « Nice Deb Says:

    [...] I certainly don’t. Because I called them out on the lies over and over and over again. And I’m still appalled and disgusted and outraged by their duplicity in the [...]

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